Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz Drops Antonio Orozco Three Times For KO in Sixth

[bigdunny1]

too bad you weren't as astute during floyd-pac. it credited floyd with landing 11 power shots in round 3 vs pac. he landed zero. (unless you count blocked punches which you just admitted you dont) thats off. thats off by a lot. thats off by a factor of 11 and that was a slow paced fight that should have been a lot easier to track. where were your great eyes then!

compubox is compete rubbish. truth is no one can accurately tell what happens in one viewing of a fight but i'm sure a blind person can get it better than compubox most times. dont align yourself with them. they are crap. we have known this since the calzaghe-hopkins laugh fest

What does Floyd or pacquiao have to do with this? lol Take your pacquiao dyck sucking some where else. Compubox and eyes showed that Orozco was losing this fight before he folded in half. If you had Orozco winning heading into the 6th you don't know shyt about boxing most of the punches he threw missed or were being picked off and landing on Ortiz elbows. Compubox being off a little is one thing but compubox getting ever stat completely wrong is what you are saying? LMAO

Orozco was competitive for stretches in rounds but he was still losing those rounds and taking a lot of punishment and folded. This is the wrong fight to get on your soap box that compubox is mis representing the fight. lol and whatever insecurities you have about Pacquiao losing to Floyd I don't have time for take that feud up with whoever you been arguing that point with because that's not me.

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Orozco isn't a natural 140 lb fighter lol he's been a top contender for years but had his career on pause multiple times because fights kept being canceled because he couldn't make weight at 140. He's a natural 147lber that has been killing himself and still half the time can't make weight at 140. He's had MORE fights cancelled in the last 3 years after he failed to make 140 weight then he has fights at 140. Out of his 30 career pro fights only 6 fights he made the 140 limit. The other 24 fights were in welterweight division above 140.

Orozco wasn't landing cleanly on Ortiz is the point my eyes caught it real time which is why I clowned some of the scores in this thread before the knockout. Maybe some can't tell the difference between throwing punches that are landing on elbows and gloves and clean punches. I caught it live and the compubox numbers back that up. Ortiz basically doubled Orozco up in every stat compubox tracks.

Ortiz
115 total punches 35% landed
24 jabs 16% landed
91 power punches 50% landed

Orozco
57 total punches 18% landed
9 jabs 9% landed
48 power punches 21% landed

Okay dude. I assume you know boxing. Let me ask you this.
Do you feel his opponent landed that much because of how slick the marquis fighter was or because the marquis fighter was coming out with barrages? I'm going with the latter. I didn't see this guy slipping and countering he just went haywire and used his strength to neutralize the other guy. Now the question is because he's developing those habits early instead of actually boxing will he be able to steamroll everybody he comes across with that style. I'm annoyed that you put that stat out like I'm supposed to say wow this guy is a defensive genius maybe my assessment about him was wrong.
You sound like a guy that will always be on this guy's nuts and always try to narrate that he did well and reach for any little thing you can find to confuse the issue.

[AKAcronym]

It's always amusing when guys bemoan CompuBox but immediately use it when it fits whatever narrative they're trying to create.

[MulaKO]

Okay dude. I assume you know boxing. Let me ask you this.
Do you feel his opponent landed that much because of how slick the marquis fighter was or because the marquis fighter was coming out with barrages? I'm going with the latter. I didn't see this guy slipping and countering he just went haywire and used his strength to neutralize the other guy. Now the question is because he's developing those habits early instead of actually boxing will he be able to steamroll everybody he comes across with that style. I'm annoyed that you put that stat out like I'm supposed to say wow this guy is a defensive genius maybe my assessment about him was wrong.
You sound like a guy that will always be on this guy's nuts and always try to narrate that he did well and reach for any little thing you can find to confuse the issue.

Great fughin point
I think that Ortiz is going to be a huge superstar but needs quite a bit of fine tuning
He got hit quite a lot , but in his defense the kid is 21 years old with a great trainer ( Robert Garcia ) which in my opinion will get the machine greased properly
He is far from a defensive genius but like I said he’s only 21
Beating Orosco is already something only 14 fights in compared to Orosco who was 28-1 before the fight
Once he starts to get punched by punchers he’ll realize it’s not so fun getting hit and he’ll begin sharpening those defensive skills
Bet you he’ll beat Teofima right now though
Just saying that because posters are drooling all over Teo’s nutsack

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Great fughin point
I think that Ortiz is going to be a huge superstar but needs quite a bit of fine tuning
He got hit quite a lot , but in his defense the kid is 21 years old with a great trainer ( Robert Garcia ) which in my opinion will get the machine greased properly
He is far from a defensive genius but like I said he’s only 21
Beating Orosco is already something only 14 fights in compared to Orosco who was 28-1 before the fight
Once he starts to get punched by punchers he’ll realize it’s not so fun getting hit and he’ll begin sharpening those defensive skills
Bet you he’ll beat Teofima right now though
Just saying that because posters are drooling all over Teo’s nutsack

Thanks bro. I agree Ortiz will be one of the best at 147. I just don’t get casuals that base their assessment on compubox to make the conclusive argument on who was the better fighter or was winning the fight and discredit Orozco as if he didn’t show loopholes in Ortiz’s offense

[bigdunny1]

Okay dude. I assume you know boxing. Let me ask you this.
Do you feel his opponent landed that much because of how slick the marquis fighter was or because the marquis fighter was coming out with barrages? I'm going with the latter. I didn't see this guy slipping and countering he just went haywire and used his strength to neutralize the other guy. Now the question is because he's developing those habits early instead of actually boxing will he be able to steamroll everybody he comes across with that style. I'm annoyed that you put that stat out like I'm supposed to say wow this guy is a defensive genius maybe my assessment about him was wrong.
You sound like a guy that will always be on this guy's nuts and always try to narrate that he did well and reach for any little thing you can find to confuse the issue.

My point isn't that Vergil is some defensive wizard it's that he wasn't hit as much as you think and sorry if you butt sore that the numbers back that up. Orozco is a aggressive offensive fighter who applies a lot of pressure and throws and lands a ton yet against Ortiz his offensive numbers fell off a cliff and he was shredded in 6 rounds.

Somehow you are trying to portray Ortiz as some defensive liability like Munguia. Let's cut to the chase where do you rank Ortiz's technique defensively compared to the other top prospects at his age and amount of fights? Hell if you think his defense is bad because Orozco landed just 57 punches then you must really think Jose Ramirez is trash because he just fought the same Orozco who landed 263 punches. LMAO

[bigdunny1]

How about we compare Ortiz's defense to Teofimo Lopez who was hit 166 times his last fight. Or Ryan Garcia who was hit so much by Velez and Garcia that Golden boy put the breaks on his level of opponents and then got him a new trainer to totally revamp his defense.

Ortiz isn't some crude brawler with no defense. He has elite amateur background and skills to go along with his power. I think you are nit picking complaining about his defense which is already better then most of these other top prospects. Its like complaining about a model girlfriend because she has 1 pimple.

[MulaKO]

Thanks bro. I agree Ortiz will be one of the best at 147. I just don’t get casuals that base their assessment on compubox to make the conclusive argument on who was the better fighter or was winning the fight and discredit Orozco as if he didn’t show loopholes in Ortiz’s offense

Two reasons
1 Either they are greenhorns , just getting into the sport
2 Just bias fans who will side with compubox to get their point across

It’s a very deceiving point of view
Missed punches or punches that just glaze you etc etc etc

[indelible]

How about we compare Ortiz's defense to Teofimo Lopez who was hit 166 times his last fight. Or Ryan Garcia who was hit so much by Velez and Garcia that Golden boy put the breaks on his level of opponents and then got him a new trainer to totally revamp his defense.

Ortiz isn't some crude brawler with no defense. He has elite amateur background and skills to go along with his power. I think you are nit picking complaining about his defense which is already better then most of these other top prospects. Its like complaining about a model girlfriend because she has 1 pimple.

First off, take compubox out of the equation cause even real boxing fans know that’s a joke. Second, Ortiz and Ramirez are not the same class of fighters to draw a comparison. Third, this is about Ortiz, not about other prospects. Ortiz had a sc**** on the forehead and that’s from getting hit so do not talk to me about defense. He relied on his speed and power and blew off his load cause he was trying to go for the KO. Why else do you think Ortiz wasn’t impressed with himself? As for Teofimo, I’m no fan of his but I’m sure you were a former cheerleader of his when he appeared to be a knockout artist till he exposed his weaknesses. You’re what we call a “bandwagon”. All hot for Ortiz but if he were to get beaten or KO you would jump off his **** and label him a hype job.

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This kid is effing legit at such a young age. Crazy skills.