Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather, Ward-Kovalev, Inoue, More

[Truth Serum]

that is utter rubbish

most of those clowns have no idea whatsoever how to apply the official scoring criteria

we still have experienced fans arguing that all landed punches are scored... we still have experienced fans refusing to acknowledge defence... and I am yet to see a dopey casual-fan explain ring generalship

there is a HUGE gulf between the average fan and a professional boxing judge... the gap between someone who is trained and someone who is not trained, is as large as an intelligent reasonable person would expect it to be... the fact that you unaware of that, is telling

you sound like a kid with a toyota, giving a racecar driver advice

Boxing needs to reinvent the wheel or else fans like you will agree with every fight's decision everytime and there will be no claimed robberies in this sport.

I guarantee you, judges kick themselves in the ass all the time when they rewatch the replay from the best angle possible and know they scored the round wrong especially when 98 percent of everyone else had it the other way.

Judging fights is not rocket science!

[aboutfkntime]

Boxing needs to reinvent the wheel or else fans like you will agree with every fight's decision everytime and there will be no claimed robberies in this sport.

I guarantee you, judges kick themselves in the ass all the time when they rewatch the replay from the best angle possible and know they scored the round wrong especially when 98 percent of everyone else had it the other way.

what you newer casual-fans need to learn is.... you need to respect how difficult it is to actually score a fight according to the official criteria..... you need to have more respect for the judges..... and YES, that includes respecting their decisions

ignoring defence ring-generalship and the effective aspect of effective aggression..... and frantically counting jabs on your pinkies..... is not how to judge a fight

Judging fights is not rocket science!

in the last few weeks, I have seen numerous casual-fans make that exact same statement.....

..... many of them IMMEDIATELY proceeded to prove that they have no idea whatsoever how to score a professional boxing match

judges > casual-fans/idiots..... not even close

you are ONLY crying because Lovekin lost

[Truth Serum]

what you newer casual-fans need to learn is.... you need to respect how difficult it is to actually score a fight according to the official criteria..... you need to have more respect for the judges..... and YES, that includes respecting their decisions

ignoring defence ring-generalship and the effective aspect of effective aggression..... and frantically counting jabs on your pinkies..... is not how to judge a fight







in the last few weeks, I have seen numerous casual-fans make that exact same statement.....

..... many of them IMMEDIATELY proceeded to prove that they have no idea whatsoever how to score a professional boxing match

judges > casual-fans/idiots..... not even close

you are ONLY crying because Lovekin lost

No, I'm just sick of the judges getting it wrong or bribed into making the robbery happen and I'm sick of casuals believing that this sport has no robberies and what the judges say you must agree with or else you are the casual.

For instance, Manny whooped Horn by outlanding 11 out of 12 rounds with the more powerful punches. Bob is a powerful man and had a good prospect in Bud coming up in weight. It backfired for Bob but it has fans like you really believing Horn won the fight... Or that Canelo beat GGG.

[aboutfkntime]

No, I'm just sick of the judges getting it wrong or bribed into making the robbery happen and I'm sick of casuals believing that this sport has no robberies and what the judges say you must agree with or else you are the casual.

For instance, Manny whooped Horn by outlanding 11 out of 12 rounds with the more powerful punches. Bob is a powerful man and had a good prospect in Bud coming up in weight. It backfired for Bob but it has fans like you really believing Horn won the fight... Or that Canelo beat GGG.

you are ONLY crying because Lovekin lost

he clearly lost that fight

[Truth Serum]

you are ONLY crying because Lovekin lost

he clearly lost that fight

GGG won that fight. What many casuals make the mistake of is that they think the aggressor is always the ring general which is not always the case. If you are coming forward and your opponent is circling you while you get outlanded at will, who really was the ring general? Same thing with defense. A fighter can position himself in a way where his opponent knows if he throws a punch, he will miss and get countered, therefore, he has less opportunity to throw punches that might score. You don't necessarily need to dodge punches to be considered a better defender. The guy with more landed punches is the better defender because he allowed his opponent to land less! Clean and effective is a very subjective scoring criteria but a casual can be fooled into thinking the haymaker thrown from the hip will inflict more damage than a short straight right up the pipe. The way to score effective punching is to read the fighters reaction after being punched. Does he shy away,
neck snap back, stumble and lose balance, or daze off for a second or 2 before coming back to focus? Some fighters can get hit with the kitchen sink and walk through it unfazed one bit. Some fighters can get hit with an arm punch and back up to the ropes as if he ran into a grenade.

Landed punches trump all scoring criteria! As long as casuals know this as common sense, they should have great odds of scoring a round correctly! It isn't rocket science!

[aboutfkntime]

GGG won that fight. What many casuals make the mistake of is that they think the aggressor is always the ring general which is not always the case. If you are coming forward and your opponent is circling you while you get outlanded at will, who really was the ring general? Same thing with defense. A fighter can position himself in a way where his opponent knows if he throws a punch, he will miss and get countered, therefore, he has less opportunity to throw punches that might score. You don't necessarily need to dodge punches to be considered a better defender. The guy with more landed punches is the better defender because he allowed his opponent to land less! Clean and effective is a very subjective scoring criteria but a casual can be fooled into thinking the haymaker thrown from the hip will inflict more damage than a short straight right up the pipe. The way to score effective punching is to read the fighters reaction after being punched. Does he shy away,
neck snap back, stumble and lose balance, or daze off for a second or 2 before coming back to focus? Some fighters can get hit with the kitchen sink and walk through it unfazed one bit. Some fighters can get hit with an arm punch and back up to the ropes as if he ran into a grenade.

Landed punches trump all scoring criteria! As long as casuals know this as common sense, they should have great odds of scoring a round correctly! It isn't rocket science!

FACT: Canelo proved that he can beat Golovkin any way he wants

the REALLY funny thing is this.....

you dumbasses who are still in denial, truly cannot see what will happen in a trilogy fight... which is hilarious

there will be a ton of dumb money on the table if that fight happens

FACT: not all " landed " punches are legitimate scoring shots

to kill that..... " all landed punches count "..... rubbish.....

[Truth Serum]

FACT: Canelo proved that he can beat Golovkin any way he wants

the REALLY funny thing is this.....

you dumbasses who are still in denial, truly cannot see what will happen in a trilogy fight... which is hilarious

there will be a ton of dumb money on the table if that fight happens

FACT: not all " landed " punches are legitimate scoring shots

to kill that..... " all landed punches count "..... rubbish.....

I outlanded you by 80 clean and effective punches, staggered you several times while you couldn't hurt me with your best punch thrown with all your might, beat you with 2 different styles (aggression which caused you to back up to the ropes and boxing in the pocket which allowed me to circle around you while you couldn't walk me down one bit) a la ring generalship, and my defense was so great that you couldn't hit me as many times as I hit you.

You got the scoring criteria down but you still don't understand how to use it in relation to scoring rounds.

[aboutfkntime]

I outlanded you by 80 clean and effective punches, staggered you several times while you couldn't hurt me with your best punch thrown with all your might, beat you with 2 different styles (aggression which caused you to back up to the ropes and boxing in the pocket which allowed me to circle around you while you couldn't walk me down one bit) a la ring generalship, and my defense was so great that you couldn't hit me as many times as I hit you.

You got the scoring criteria down but you still don't understand how to use it in relation to scoring rounds.

oh..... really..... ?

then..... why does my viewpoint match the OFFICIAL judges ?

they all got it wrong, huh ?

so now they all need to attend the Truth Serum school of judging?



you are just crying because Golovkin lost

FACT: Golovkin clearly lost the rematch

[TonyGe]

To me clean punches usually equal a high connect %. And defense a low connect % with a bunch of misses.

Just because a fighter lands more does not mean he won the round. I’ll take combos and body work over some sloppy flicks of the jab off a back foot.

Again I watch the fight and score it by round WAY before I see your compubox stats that tell you who won.

Shadow I think your issue with people that's quote combox is they don't agree with how you saw a fight unfolding. In order to make their point because it's hard to convince someone that they are wrong they go to compubox to reinforce what they are saying.. For example in the first Golovkin Canelo fight to me it was obvious that Golovkin landed more punches in most rounds.. If I get into a discussion and someone refuted that I use Compubox to reinforce what to me was perfectly obvious. The so called rules of scoring a fight are highly subjective and open to interpretation. Very few people goes to compubox to decide who won a fight. Most people already have an opinion on who won after the fight and in some case just enjoyed the fight and don't care who won. Canelo spent too many minutes of a lot of rounds backing up and not throwing punches.. Where those minutes effective agression.. Where those minutes spent landing clean hard punches.. No. He spent too many minutes of too many rounds on the back foot giving those minutes to Golovkin. He lost that fight.. You even scored it for him 7-5. Now if you ask someone else those minutes were spent showing brilliant defense. There are even people on this website that claim a jab is not a punch or it can't possibly be effective because after all just a jab.. Totally ignoring that a jab is a scoring punch and it can be effective if it does the job that is intended to do.. For example keeping the other guy from mounting an intelligent attack by disrupting his rythum. Steering him to where you want him to go. Using it to set up other punches. Keeping the opponent off if you.. Power punches are any punch that isn't a jab by definition,

[TonyGe]

you are ONLY crying because Lovekin lost

he clearly lost that fight

See there you go.. I say he clearly won both fights..