Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Mayweather, Ward-Kovalev, Inoue, More

[aboutfkntime]

To anyone looking to score rounds objectively. The way i score rounds is you have to WIN the round for me to give it to you. Meaning when im watching a fight. I say either this person “won”, or im “giving” it to this person. The rounds i “give”, because im not a pro- on tv- nor getting paid, i count as swing rounds. For instance the toughest fight i ever scored was canelo-lara. If im not mistaken i gave canelo 5 and lara 3, with 4 rounds going either way. So as tight of a fight as that was, i couldnt cry robbery. But obviously the card where canelo was granted every close round is su****ious overall no robbery. Same with canelo 3g 1. I had 5-5 I believe with 2 swing and the rematch at 4-3 with 5 swing (advantage nelo) tho i gave canelo 2 and 3g 1 so it was 6-4 2 swing but the rounds i “gave” were close... with my system there are many bad cards but very few robberies. I watch fights and pick my personal winner with my personal score but if the other guy wins on points within my range it cant be a robbery. The only time my brow gets raised is if the judge gives every single close round to the same guy... keeping in mind you cant win a round just by doing better than the last nor just to break the rhythm... just leaves a bad taste imo... also imo we are fans first so scoring fights take more than 1 watch. My first watch is pure enjoyment. Anything after that is the breakdown unless i know some controversy is coming lol.

not criticizing, at all...

you gave a COMPLETE breakdown of the process you use...

... but, not one mention about the actual technical application of the official rules, in relation to what is unfolding in the ring

THAT, is the difficulty facing casual fans

they do not seem to understand ring generalship and defence... and they forget about the 'effective' factor in "effective aggression"

clean hard punching should speak for itself, but there are numerous recent threads proving otherwise

most would agree with what you said... but still get the result wrong

interestingly, some of those fans have been here for 15 years

[MrShakeAndBake]

Didn't hear any you complaining when the same ref allowed Maidana to use multiple clearly intentional low blows, karate chops and rabbit punches, holding and hitting as a tactic, stopping lateral movement with his arms, using muo thai knees, and even using an American football tackle at one point, all without a single warning or point deduction.

Two wrongs don’t make it right.

[Truth Serum]

YUP! And like I said those IDIOTS go to compubox to tell me who won??? IDIOTS don't even realize compubox is posted round or ROUNDS later when we ALL have already posted our ROUND score. I don't wait until AFTER the fight to score it. I do round by round with the following rules but DEFENSE is always ignored by casuals

1) Effective Aggression – Being aggressive gives the impression of dominance, but unless the boxer is landing shots and not constantly getting countered, it’s not exactly “effective.” Judges look for effective aggression, where the aggressor consistently lands his punches and avoids those from his opponent.

2) Ring Generalship – The fighter who controls the action and enforces his will and style.

3) Defense – How well is a boxer slipping, parrying, and blocking punches? Good defense is important.

4) Hard and Clean Punches – To the untrained eye, it can appear as if a boxer is landing a lot of shots, when, in fact, most are being blocked or aren’t landing flush. A judge needs to look for hard shots that land clean.

Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.

So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.

Now, there's no mathematical formula that equates the number of punches with the hardness of the punch. The judge has to weigh the two based on his experience. But more important than the number of punches or the hardness of the punch is the effect of the punch. For example, a seemingly lighter punch that causes a boxer to stagger is scored higher than a seemingly harder punch that has no effect.

Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.

If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.

Effective aggression: In the extremely rare case of a judge scoring a round otherwise even, the judge might side with the boxer who was the aggressor on the theory that he is trying to make the fight. However, the key is whether or not the aggression is "effective.” Is the boxer landing or just coming forward?

Ring generalship: This term describes a boxer who is generally controlling the action and putting himself into position to land clean punches, or employing a strategy to make his opponent fight his fight. Sometimes, however, the other boxer is forced to fight his opponent's fight and comes out on top.

[Shadoww702]

Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.

So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.

Now, there's no mathematical formula that equates the number of punches with the hardness of the punch. The judge has to weigh the two based on his experience. But more important than the number of punches or the hardness of the punch is the effect of the punch. For example, a seemingly lighter punch that causes a boxer to stagger is scored higher than a seemingly harder punch that has no effect.

Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.

If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.

Effective aggression: In the extremely rare case of a judge scoring a round otherwise even, the judge might side with the boxer who was the aggressor on the theory that he is trying to make the fight. However, the key is whether or not the aggression is "effective.” Is the boxer landing or just coming forward?

Ring generalship: This term describes a boxer who is generally controlling the action and putting himself into position to land clean punches, or employing a strategy to make his opponent fight his fight. Sometimes, however, the other boxer is forced to fight his opponent's fight and comes out on top.

To me clean punches usually equal a high connect %. And defense a low connect % with a bunch of misses.

Just because a fighter lands more does not mean he won the round. I’ll take combos and body work over some sloppy flicks of the jab off a back foot.

Again I watch the fight and score it by round WAY before I see your compubox stats that tell you who won.

[Truth Serum]

To me clean punches usually equal a high connect %. And defense a low connect % with a bunch of misses.

Just because a fighter lands more does not mean he won the round. I’ll take combos and body work over some sloppy flicks of the jab off a back foot.

Again I watch the fight and score it by round WAY before I see your compubox stats that tell you who won.

I judge punches by observing the head after impact and the fighter's reaction. What might look like a pitty pat punch, can have more effective damage than what might look like a devastating punch. The goal here is to hurt the opponent more than he hurts you. A jab or body shot may not look like that effective in the early rounds, but when thrown in high volume during the course of the fight, it can wear down the head or body later on in the fight and can been seen in the physical language of the opponent.

I make my final judgement of scored rounds after reviewing the replay which can be judged from a different aspect from when I scored it live.

[Terrell1555]

Man WT*** is wrong with you??? SMH.... get right and check yourself clown

You in denial POS are what’s wrong with me! You think Kovalev is the first racist to hire somebody Black? And speaking of his former Black trainer even he said Kovalev is a racist! Funny thing is that’s all you picked up from what I wrote about Kovalev, why is that? I only mentioned him to make an example to your Boyfriend your defending, by saying I don’t personally like Kovalev, and I think he’s a racist! However despite my personal dislike of the man I will not deny his accomplishments and that he’s a good fighter! You totally missed that huh? The point was...STOP ALLOWING YOUR OWN PERSONAL BIAS OR DISLIKE MAKE YOU DENY A PERSONS ACHIEVEMENTS! But you didn’t get that part...DO YOU KNOW WHY? It’s because y’all become so so discombobulated when someone points out y’all are racist as FK! And that despite all the overwhelming history and evidence to support that fact! Y’all are the NUMBER ONE ********* ON EARTH, CERTAINLY IN AMERIKKKA FACTS! But y’all can’t admit that shyt and hate to be called what you are! Just because someone is a racist don’t mean they can’t make sound business decisions! And hiring a Black trainer who’s a great trainer, and also himself was a great fighter is very much a smart financial decision! Emancipating the ****** was a great financial decision that does not mean the people who freed them were not racist! Don’t believe me than read Lincoln’s memoirs and you we see for yourself that he too was a racist!

And how come your more offended by my words than this FK-OH CALLING WARD A COWARD? You said you like Ward but you didn’t defend him...like you did Kovalev! I WONDER WHY THAT IS...NOT REALLY THOUGH, I KNOW WHY EVEN IF YOU DONT!

[Terrell1555]

Didn't hear any you complaining when the same ref allowed Maidana to use multiple clearly intentional low blows, karate chops and rabbit punches, holding and hitting as a tactic, stopping lateral movement with his arms, using muo thai knees, and even using an American football tackle at one point, all without a single warning or point deduction.

Exactly the hypocrisy with them is very real!

[Terrell1555]

Why would a racist boxer hire a phuckin’ black trainer (twice). use your crackie brain.
And on the topic of racism,
anyone who scream racism is a closet racist themselves.
this ****** crackhead is a perfect example.
case closed.
Good bye bytch troll in red lol

While your pulling on your Meth pipe, popped four opioids, snorted some Blow, and already on your second case of Budweiser! In the double wide trailer that your tootles, kox-eyed, Kox-$ucker mom/inbred Aunty pays for with trick money!

Like I said it takes a very very real Coward, to call a fighter the caliber of Andre Ward a coward, hunkered down from the safety of your keyboard lil BYTCH!

[Terrell1555]

But he made a point, don't let that point slip.... having a black trainer is not enough to qualify you as"not racist''
Personally o don't know if kov is racist or not....it doesn't matter, he can fight

And that was my entire point thank you! The point wasn’t to point out he’s a racist though I think he is. The point was despite my personal feelings towards the Krusher...THAT MF CAN FIGHT! We as fans need to quit allowing personal bias or dislike allow us to not be honest about a persons achievements and accomplishments! I’m sick of that BS! How does someone fix their mouth to call a FIGHTER A COWARD, ESPECIALLY A FIGHTER LIKE WARD WHO FOUGHT ALL THE TOP GUYS!

And certainly hiring a Black trainer does not disqualify Kovalev as a racist! It just means he’s smart enough to put that aside and make sound business decisions! But even that Black trainer said he’s a racist!

[Walexhris]

And that was my entire point thank you! The point wasn’t to point out he’s a racist though I think he is. The point was despite my personal feelings towards the Krusher...THAT MF CAN FIGHT! We as fans need to quit allowing personal bias or dislike allow us to not be honest about a persons achievements and accomplishments! I’m sick of that BS! How does someone fix their mouth to call a FIGHTER A COWARD, ESPECIALLY A FIGHTER LIKE WARD WHO FOUGHT ALL THE TOP GUYS!

And certainly hiring a Black trainer does not disqualify Kovalev as a racist! It just means he’s smart enough to put that aside and make sound business decisions! But even that Black trainer said he’s a racist!

Yeah.......I get u