Juan Manuel Marquez vs Lomachenko at 135

[chrisJS]

Morales went up to 140 to face a prime Danny Garcia

Barrera went up to 135 to face a prime Khan

Loma would only take fights he knows he can win. He's not that great. Didn't want no part of Manny Pacquiao.

That’s false. Morales was already at 140 for a number of fights before facing a green Danny Garcia. Barrera had already had a couple of fights at 135 before facing a green Khan coming off a 1st round KO loss.

Not “that” great? What great? He’s still active and not carved his legacy. There were points in Ray Robinson’s career he hadn’t finished his legacy. I don’t think Loma is great - yet. In an all-time sense. He’s great at the moment though. Marquez IMO is top 60-70 all-time, Barrera and Morales around 80-100 but they’ve all lost in or near their primes to a number of fighters probably not in the too 300 all-time. They aren’t unbeatable and they would t be impossible for Loma.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

That’s false. Morales was already at 140 for a number of fights before facing a green Danny Garcia. Barrera had already had a couple of fights at 135 before facing a green Khan coming off a 1st round KO loss.

Not “that” great? What great? He’s still active and not carved his legacy. There were points in Ray Robinson’s career he hadn’t finished his legacy. I don’t think Loma is great - yet. In an all-time sense. He’s great at the moment though. Marquez IMO is top 60-70 all-time, Barrera and Morales around 80-100 but they’ve all lost in or near their primes to a number of fighters probably not in the too 300 all-time. They aren’t unbeatable and they would t be impossible for Loma.

Loma already lost tho and It was in his prime. By a Mexican with 12 losses!

So what's separate Loma from prime Marquez, Morales, Barrera, or Pacquiao at their lighter weights?

He's not that great. Loma got dropped by someone Manny was whooping in sparring. Ask Roach.

[chrisJS]

Loma already lost tho and It was in his prime. By a Mexican with 12 losses!

So what's separate Loma from prime Marquez, Morales, Barrera, or Pacquiao at their lighter weights?

He's not that great. Loma got dropped by someone Manny was toying in sparring. Ask Roach.

Loma wasn’t prime in fight 2. Barrera was KO’d prime by Junior Jones, Pacquaio was KO’d in Asia twice in his “prime” by the same token. Marquez lost to Norwood and John in his “prime”. Morales lost badly to Raheem in his “prime”. Like I said, they all have “prime” losses to inferior fighters to Salido. Salido also came in overweight, got a lucky decision and was allowed to foul all night.

I think you hold them to different standards to push an agenda.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Loma wasn’t prime in fight 2. Barrera was KO’d prime by Junior Jones, Pacquaio was KO’d in Asia twice in his “prime” by the same token. Marquez lost to Norwood and John in his “prime”. Morales lost badly to Raheem in his “prime”. Like I said, they all have “prime” losses to inferior fighters to Salido. Salido also came in overweight, got a lucky decision and was allowed to foul all night.

I think you hold them to different standards to push an agenda.

He was grown *ss man aged 26 at that time and have had 400 amateur fights, what dafuq you mean he's not in his prime?

Will it take 20 more fights to be in his prime?

Cos he already 30 tho

And many if not all pro boxers, don't have that much amateur fights.

Manny was scrawny *ss teenager aged 18 when he took his first loss.

Barrera was 22 when he took his first L!

Marquez was 20 when he lost to Duran!

Barrera, Marquez, Pacquiao, and Morales have losses against each other, because they were the best.

Loma hasn't fought anyone his caliber in the top bracket p4p

[chrisJS]

He was grown *ss man aged 26 at that time and have had 400 amateur fights, what dafuq you mean he's not in his prime?

Will it take 20 more fights to be in his prime?

Cos he already 30 tho

And many if not all pro boxers, don't have that much amateur fights.

Manny was scrawny *ss teenager aged 18 when he took his first loss.

Barrera was 22 when he took his first L!

Marquez was 20 when he lost to Duran!

Barrera, Marquez, Pacquiao, and Morales have losses against each other, because they were the best.

Loma hasn't fought anyone his caliber in the top bracket p4p

Marquez lost age 26 to Norwood and age 32 to John, Morales was like 29 when he lost to Raheem.

Age isn’t prime. You simply can’t be in your professional boxing prime after one fight. It’s 100% impossible.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Marquez lost age 26 to Norwood and age 32 to John, Morales was like 29 when he lost to Raheem.

Age isn’t prime. You simply can’t be in your professional boxing prime after one fight. It’s 100% impossible.

Loma lost to salido. Then got afraid fighting Mexicans. The end.

[chrisJS]

Loma lost to salido. Then got afraid fighting Mexicans. The end.

Lol, sure. That's why Salido ducked the re-match after seeing what Loma did with Salido's conqueror Martinez. Let's see if Berchelt steps up and see how that goes.

Barrera and Morales got scared of fighting African Americans.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Lol, sure. That's why Salido ducked the re-match after seeing what Loma did with Salido's conqueror Martinez. Let's see if Berchelt steps up and see how that goes

Salido was 37 and was on his way out. He has every right to choose how he goes out.

"Lets see if Berchelt steps up and sees how it goes"

Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

Next!

[Idunnoshet]

Marquez probably won BOTH of those fights, he definitely beat John

go watch the fights

he basically turned Norwood into a one-handed fighter, problem is Norwood keep hitting him with that one hand lol..... many people said Marquez won that fight and Freddie got a very dubious benefit of the doubt

I saw all 3 of those Marquez fights and had him winning All 3 .

Marquez beats Lomachenko on a UD by the way.
Gotta ride with my dude Dinamita !

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Marquez beats Lomachenko on a UD by the way.
Gotta ride with my dude Dinamita !

Imagine Marquez announing he'll come out of retirement to take on Lomachenko...man..that would be some scary sht.

It's like Scar resurrected from the dead and gets the chance to take on Simba's son.

Let's be honest, a 45 year old Marquez is probably the best fighter on Loma's record, win or lose.