Comments Thread For: Crawford: No Streets, No Line - Best Supposed To Fight The Best!

[StargazerV]

Sorry brother been following Loma since he turned pro. Was a fan when most of his current fans were being distracted by GGG.

So unless you are an actual friend or insider the idea that you know him intimately feels like emotional fan attachment.

What Loma says to a reporter has nothing to do with what Loma’s business team negotiated with Top Rank. I need more evidence to see your point as valid.

Key here is we have two very talented fighters with the same promotional company. There is a major difference between the push Loma gets verses Crawford.

Further evidence is Bob’s own historical words where he sites an inability to promote black fighters. This is happening in an era where the biggest fights always included black fighters and the highest paid boxer/ athlete was a black fighter who did so with out endorsements. A fighter that was also feeling stifled under Arum.

Unless you have more evidence of a contractual advantage for Loma let’s move on.

Ok, let me clarify: 1. I'm not the one who saw any contracts. 2. I'm Loma's fan, but I'm not a blind fan, I try hard to see things as they are. Not sure if succeeding 3. Since I'm Ukrainian, I see more private interviews from Loma - the ones not being intended for global audience, i.e. not a boxing PR. And he gives clear impression of a humble open guy, who clearly says he's not interested in money, he simply wants to get remembered (a bit bigger goal IMHO). But he gets some money, while I think it's a result of his manager's work - Egis gets percents from Loma's income, so he tries to get a better deal. I don't remember numbers I saw in media, but I clearly remember Bud making more per fight. While Loma himself is unlikely be pushing for more money - there's good documentary video about how Loma got signed to Arum and what was Klimases role in that - it explains a lot. Maybe (I say maybe) this simply makes Loma more profitable to Arum than Bud. But it still doesn't explain why Arum doesn't try to promote Bud. The only explanation I see is that Arum doesn't see good fights for Bud and so expects Bud to eventually leave. And investing in a person who'd going to leave is not worth that.

[Fire4231]

Ok, let me clarify: 1. I'm not the one who saw any contracts. 2. I'm Loma's fan, but I'm not a blind fan, I try hard to see things as they are. Not sure if succeeding 3. Since I'm Ukrainian, I see more private interviews from Loma - the ones not being intended for global audience, i.e. not a boxing PR. And he gives clear impression of a humble open guy, who clearly says he's not interested in money, he simply wants to get remembered (a bit bigger goal IMHO). But he gets some money, while I think it's a result of his manager's work - Egis gets percents from Loma's income, so he tries to get a better deal. I don't remember numbers I saw in media, but I clearly remember Bud making more per fight. While Loma himself is unlikely be pushing for more money - there's good documentary video about how Loma got signed to Arum and what was Klimases role in that - it explains a lot. Maybe (I say maybe) this simply makes Loma more profitable to Arum than Bud. But it still doesn't explain why Arum doesn't try to promote Bud. The only explanation I see is that Arum doesn't see good fights for Bud and so expects Bud to eventually leave. And investing in a person who'd going to leave is not worth that.

Thank you for elaborating. It is a stronger point of view now albeit factoring heavily from one fighters perspective.

Wish I could give Arum as much credibility as Loma. Because as much as Arum is respected for being business savvy, for over two decades he has moved heavily based on insecurity, pride and emotion.

We will see what Terrence does. He shouldn’t have to jump ship to get in the PBC mix. I just think he should start with good fighters first. For example if destroyed Ugas how could PBC ignore it. Many believe Porter loss to Ugas. But Bob acts as if Errol is the only fight worthwhile.

[OPS]

Leave Bob as soon as you can Bud!!

Crawford, you are one of my favorite fighters. I believe you have a special talent. These other fighters don't really want to face you, because they know you pose a major threat. You did your career a major disservice by signing with Bob Arum. As an elite fighter, you shouldn't have to be out here chasing fighters. Even when the so called boogeyman ran up on you and he sensed you had no fear. He then diverted his attention to the lil homey in the grey hoodie. My fear is these dudes wait until you're past your prime, and then want to see you. I really wish they would do a Super 6 in the Welterweight Division for supremacy. This method worked in Wards favor because no one thought he would be the last man standing. He was able to retire and fought the best of the best. Unfortunately that's not the case with your record with ppl deeming your opponents as mediocre. It's sad to see your talent go to waste, and even worse that the fans are being robbed of seeing the top two WW all because of politics of boxing.

[Rigpig]

He couldn't fight on any network he wanted. He had a six fight deal with Showtime. That's why the Manny vs Floyd fight had to be a joint ppv.

Yea your right I kinda spaced that cause he fought for HBO as wel. But basically he was his own boss he didn’t have a promoter calling the shots he fought who he wanted.

[Scipio2009]

Just like Jermall Charlo should sign with golden boy or hearns

Jermall Charlo for is WBC 160lb champion, has a few decent fights already in hand for him (Monroe Jr, Korobov 2, Eubank Jr) and the eventual WBC/WBA/IBF 154lb champion (as long as it's not his brother) is viable too, with Houston starting to turn up for him.

Charlo isn't getting the biggest fights, but he's getting good fights, his money is still growing, and there's no bar for Alvarez to reach out for a one-off deal were he to want the fight.

Crawford is facing a completely dredged pool; "Mean Machine", Bes*****, maybe still Collazo, and maybe Kell Brook

That's it.

A false comparison indeed.

[Scipio2009]

Crawford exposes every fighter Haymon has and Al knows it...period. Everything else is chit chat.

If Crawford was really anywhere near as good as you folks want to think he is, he and his camp wouldn't hold onto that bull**** 50/50 and joint production of the event (for a fighter who's lost big on both of his forays to PPV).

Crawford would take 40% against 50/50 for the rematch, let FOX or Showtime spend all of the money, whoop Spence Jr, and then take all the belts back over to ESPN.

Don't have Arum out here making you look ****** by standing with him.

[DaNeutral.]

If Crawford was really anywhere near as good as you folks want to think he is, he and his camp wouldn't hold onto that bull**** 50/50 and joint production of the event (for a fighter who's lost big on both of his forays to PPV).

Crawford would take 40% against 50/50 for the rematch, let FOX or Showtime spend all of the money, whoop Spence Jr, and then take all the belts back over to ESPN.

Don't have Arum out here making you look ****** by standing with him.

Have i missed all these offers from Spence or anybody at the PBC?

[Scipio2009]

Spence & Danny turned down career best pay days to avoid Crawford. Basically your post makes absolutely no sense.

Spence just split a 350k+ PPV (event was sold over a month, so who knows) with Mikey Garcia; between the PPV take, the live event, sponsors, etc, Garcia and Spence Jr easily ended up splitting $15m+ between them.

And Spence Jr is likely seeing a similar eight-figure payday on the Porter PPV.

Beyond that, you have no idea what Danny Garcia ended up getting because DSG Promotions was on the event marquee; Garcia got his guaranteed purse, but the event sold tickets at StubHub/Dignity Health, the event sponsors were there too, the allotment from the US TV rights deal was there, the ITV allotment, and the rest of the rights deals.

DSG Promotions was at the table for all of the back-end pieces, and DSG Promotions got it's share of the final take.

Terence Crawford is heading back to regular ESPN for the coming "Mean Machine" fight.

[Scipio2009]

Should of signed with al haymon

You work with who you feel comfortable with, tbh.

There was no reason for Crawford to lock himself into anything before hitting the open market; he could've easily followed Miguel Cotto's route.

Have BoMac act as his adviser, keep Top Rank as the promoter they prefer to work with, and keep things fight-by-fight with Top Rank.

[Scipio2009]

... the answer is simple: a joint promotion fight (Haymon-Arum, Showtime-ESPN)... now, tell me how Haymon proposed this and the other part refused...

Terence Crawford lost money on his two shots at PPV; Spence Jr was profitable on PPV with Mikey Garcia, will likely be profitable with Shawn Porter on PPV, and will likely be profitable against Danny Garcia and Manny Pacquiao on PPV, and profitable vs TBA on PPV from that point on.

Any logical look at the facts would have the pot split 65/35 Spence, on Spence's preferred PPV partner, but that's not the discussion here.

Arum wants 50/50 on the fighter split and ESPN getting money out of FOX's pocket too, lol.