Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Will Decide Rematch Location - NOT Andy Ruiz

[QballLobo]

Ruiz may not like it but he’s better off taking the rematch right away no matter where it is.
Let’s face it he wasn’t winning a decision on a DAZN show in NY or the UK.
He’ll have to knock AJ out again to take those belts to PBC.
Win or lose he’s raised his profile and will get paid more by Haymon down the road. He already made history wing the first Mexican HW champ. No one can take that away from him.

[Granath]

Before I read any more of this stuff .. maybe you can explain the connection between those 2 cases, and especially, what bearing you believe Lennox Lewis' age had on the outcome of the MSG vs Shavers case?

Both are cases where boxers were compelled to follow signed contracts and the legal reasoning as to why injunctive relief was granted. It's never as simple as saying "he has to follow the contract or he can't fight" as some are claiming here. Only those unfamiliar with law would think that.

I said nothing - absolutely nothing - about Lewis' age in regards to the MSG v. Shavers outcome. How could it? The Lewis case was over 20 years after the MSG decision. How on God's Green Earth could you even infer that?

[Bronx2245]

... then the fact that Haymon never speaks in public makes him "more honorable" now?

Yes indeed! His best PR move is letting Hearn and Arum do all the b**ching in the media, while his fighters (Spence/Brook, Ruiz/Joshua) keep winning!

[kafkod]

Both are cases where boxers were compelled to follow signed contracts and the legal reasoning as to why injunctive relief was granted. It's never as simple as saying "he has to follow the contract or he can't fight" as some are claiming here. Only those unfamiliar with law would think that.

I said nothing - absolutely nothing - about Lewis' age in regards to the MSG v. Shavers outcome. How could it? The Lewis case was over 20 years after the MSG decision. How on God's Green Earth could you even infer that?

Here's what you wrote:

"First, let me help you. The case you were citing is Lewis v. Rahman, 147 F. Supp. 2d 225 where injunctive relief was granted largely due to Lewis' age. Same goes for Madison Square Garden Boxing, Inc. v. Shavers, 434 F. Supp. 449,where MSG was promoting a fight that Shavers wanted to back out of. Those are relevant precedents that could apply."

You cited Lewis' age as the link between the 2 cases, which is what puzzled me.

In fact, Lewis' age was the reason why the judge banned Rahman from fighting anybody else before the second, and major, complaint in the case was settled by the court. But, in itself, it was enough to persuade Rahman and his promoters to give in and honour the terms of their contract.

And here's something you are not taking into account ... sanctioning bodies, like fighters, are legally bound by the terms of the contracts for fights they are paid fees to sanction.

The precedent for this was set when the WBC were successfully sued for $31million by Graciano Rocchigiano when they re-instated RJJ as their LHW champion, after previously sanctioning a fight between Rocchigiano and Michael Nunn as a WBC LHW title fight.

This aspect of the laws around fight contracts has cropped up several times in the past few years.

Eg, Tyson Fury was not legally allowed to fight an IBF mandatory without first honouring his rematch clause with Wlad, and lost the IBF title as a result.

And again, the WBC sanctioned Breazeale vs Stiverne as a final eliminator, and Breazeale's contract still stated that he was fighting a final eliminator after Stiverne pulled out and was replaced by Molina. This meant that the WBC were legally obliged to install Breazeale as their mando after he won that fight. If Molina had won, he wouldn't have become the WBC mando.


The WBA, WBO and IBF were all paid sanctioning fees by AJ for his fight with Ruiz, and none of them are going to want to face law suites brought by AJ, Matchroom and DAZN, if they sanction a fight between Ruiz and anybody else before he first hounours the terms of his rematch clause with AJ.

[DaBeastO]

Yes indeed! His best PR move is letting Hearn and Arum do all the b**ching in the media, while his fighters (Spence/Brook, Ruiz/Joshua) keep winning!

bob arum's fighters always beat gaymon's fighters when they go head to head. loma vs russell crawford vs diaz crawford vs molina gvozdyk vs chickenson. it's the reason gaymon won't let none of his welterweights fight crawford!!! People see the bobfather out there leading the charge trying to make those fights happen the media and the public know al gaymon doesn't and he will get hit and take a lot of flak for it!

[Bronx2245]

bob arum's fighters always beat gaymon's fighters when they go head to head. loma vs russell crawford vs diaz crawford vs molina gvozdyk vs chickenson. it's the reason gaymon won't let none of his welterweights fight crawford!!! People see the bobfather out there leading the charge trying to make those fights happen the media and the public know al gaymon doesn't and he will get hit and take a lot of flak for it!

People also see Oscar left him, Floyd left him, Cotto left him, Mikey left him, Pacquiao left him, even Ruiz left him! Top it all off, Floyd beat Pacquiao, and now Pacquiao fights on Floyd's cards...ON PBC! Al Haymon is doing just fine!

[johnbook]

Oh well.
Fight's gonna be in UK.
Ruiz will have little chance to retain title. He knows it. He could fight desperately and be more at risk if ref is jobbing him.

Ref will break em whenever Ruiz gets close and stop fight immediately if Ruiz goes down or is getting hit.
And if it goes 12, 2 judges won't be fair.

They don't care that everyone will know.

Boxing's a microcosm of the general corruption otherwise lawmakers would do something. But the PTB use popular boxers especially ********** as their tools never to say anything against the power structure in exchange for crooked decisions etc. That summarizes all matters Floyd, always has, and now AJ too.

[Cinci Champ]

Oh god Hearn already hoping Ruiz doesn’t want the rematch. U will make more money in America for a promoter and fighter who make decisions based on money seems like a no brainer

[LetOutTheCage]

Oh well.
Fight's gonna be in UK.
Ruiz will have little chance to retain title. He knows it. He could fight desperately and be more at risk if ref is jobbing him.

Ref will break em whenever Ruiz gets close and stop fight immediately if Ruiz goes down or is getting hit.
And if it goes 12, 2 judges won't be fair.

They don't care that everyone will know.

Boxing's a microcosm of the general corruption otherwise lawmakers would do something. But the PTB use popular boxers especially ********** as their tools never to say anything against the power structure in exchange for crooked decisions etc. That summarizes all matters Floyd, always has, and now AJ too.

Reading this defeatist nonsense you wouldnt know that Ruiz won by Stoppage in the first fight. The idea that the ref wont let him fight if its in the UK is laughable, so many idiots on here talking about corruption and dodgy decisions in the UK when the biggest/most high-profile robberies have happened in the US

[P4Pdunny]

A part of me thinks this detail has been ironed out and this is for public showing. I mean, they won't be getting it on for a few months anyway so why such an early announcement?