Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Will Decide Rematch Location - NOT Andy Ruiz

[Ake-Dawg]

195 posts.....wow

A lot of circle jerking by PBC and Ruiz detractors mixed in with some AJ fans who seemingly feel that proclaiming Hearns absolute control over the rematch somehow dissolves the video evidence of AJ getting beat up and going full Avengers telling his trainer "I don't feel so good" before his titles evaporated.

[sammybee]

l hope Ruiz is not scared of Cardiff.

[kafkod]

Again, without knowing all the contract provisions there's no way to tell. But contract attorneys worth their salt know that the enforcement of one agreement to make another means there's a lot of wiggle room. Then when you add in different contract law from different countries, the sanctioning bodies themselves...it's not hard to see that it's not nearly as cut-and-dried as some here present it.

BTW, Ruiz walking away from the rematch clause in no way hinders his ability to defend his belts. Only the sanctioning bodies can do that. The only relief a court could offer is financial in the loss that they may sustain by the fight not happening. They have no ability to provide relief to actually make the fight happen. Even the sanctioning bodies would fight AJ/Hearn on that as they possess that control and will not give it up. Filing an injunction to prevent Ruiz from fighting someone else and defending his belts would be likely be laughed out of court.

So why do the rematches happen? Because it's in everyone's financial interest for them to do so. In general a challenger's biggest payoff is going to be the former champion. The sanctioning bodies tend to like it as well (bigger fees for them too!). Fighting AJ again is probably Ruiz' biggest available payday and carries no risk of a long and costly legal dispute over the financial loss AJ/Hearn would suffer if Ruiz didn't give them a rematch. That's why the rematch will happen - it's all about the Benjamins. Where it will happen will depend on how resistant Ruiz is to going to the UK.

You are completely wrong in just about everything you said there.

If you were right, then rematch clauses wouldn't be worth the paper they were written on and promoters/fighters would not be wasting money paying lawyers to draw them up.

I'm not a lawyer, but I do follow boxing and I know that fight contracts, including rematch clauses, are legally binding and cannot simply be ignored by either fighters or sanctioning bodies.

If Ruiz doesn't honour the terms of his contract then AJ/Hearn will do the same thing Lennox Lewis did when Hasim Rahman refused to honour his rematch clause with Lennox .. go to the courts and get an injunction banning him from fighting anybody else until the contract is honoured and start proceedings to sue him and his promoter for financial compensation.

Rahman and Don King backed down and Lewis got his rematch on his terms. So will AJ.

[Iamsmoke89]

Ruiz is prob gonna lose the rematch his own trainer said he need to get back in the gym and focus on what got him the belts.

[TexasCowBoy]

Make the fight already before I cancel my DAZN subscription

[rckdees]

You can’t believe a word that comes out of that clown’s mouth

[Roberto Vasquez]

Ruiz has become a bit of a d*** since he won the title. Everyone knows he was given an opportunity of a lifetime at short notice. Like they are going to give him a rematch clause where he gets to decide where the fight happens lol Only an idiot would believe that!

[Granath]

You are completely wrong in just about everything you said there.

If you were right, then rematch clauses wouldn't be worth the paper they were written on and promoters/fighters would not be wasting money paying lawyers to draw them up.

I'm not a lawyer, but I do follow boxing and I know that fight contracts, including rematch clauses, are legally binding and cannot simply be ignored by either fighters or sanctioning bodies.

If Ruiz doesn't honour the terms of his contract then AJ/Hearn will do the same thing Lennox Lewis did when Hasim Rahman refused to honour his rematch clause with Lennox .. go to the courts and get an injunction banning him from fighting anybody else until the contract is honoured and start proceedings to sue him and his promoter for financial compensation.

Rahman and Don King backed down and Lewis got his rematch on his terms. So will AJ.

I am not a practicing attorney and contracts was not my area of expertise. However, I passed the NY bar exam on my first attempt in 1994 after graduating from Cardozo Law School. I just consult clients now on risk management and specialize in settling large auto insurance claims. It pays better.

First, let me help you. The case you were citing is Lewis v. Rahman, 147 F. Supp. 2d 225 where injunctive relief was granted largely due to Lewis' age. Same goes for Madison Square Garden Boxing, Inc. v. Shavers, 434 F. Supp. 449, where MSG was promoting a fight that Shavers wanted to back out of. Those are relevant precedents that could apply.

Except...

Injunctive relief is often and only granted if one party would be irreparably harmed without the injunction. That's tougher for AJ to prove given that there has been no promotion of the rematch, AJ no longer holds the belts, he's not so old as to be caused permanent damage by not getting an immediate rematch and the choice of location is far less important than the fight itself being held. Not every term in a contract is held to the same standard and AJ would have to prove harm that not holding it in, say, Cardiff is somehow results in irreparable harm. That's a much tougher standard. It doesn't mean that Ruiz can walk - and that's NEVER been my claim (as much as you try to say it has). It's just that there's always negotiating points and if Ruiz wants to put his foot down, he's going to be able to do so. It's probably going to cost him in other areas - split, rules, etc. - but there's always enough room to maneuver that it's not a simple matter of Hearn telling Ruiz where and when to show up. I fully expect Ruiz to accept the ultimate location of the fight as specified by Hearn but a skilled attorney would be able to provide options if Ruiz absolutely refused to go there.

But feel free to argue with me and tell me I'm wrong. After all, what else is the internet for?

[kafkod]

I am not a practicing attorney and contracts was not my area of expertise. However, I passed the NY bar exam on my first attempt in 1994 after graduating from Cardozo Law School. I just consult clients now on risk management and specialize in settling large auto insurance claims. It pays better.

First, let me help you. The case you were citing is Lewis v. Rahman, 147 F. Supp. 2d 225 where injunctive relief was granted largely due to Lewis' age. Same goes for Madison Square Garden Boxing, Inc. v. Shavers, 434 F. Supp. 449, where MSG was promoting a fight that Shavers wanted to back out of. Those are relevant precedents that could apply.

Before I read any more of this stuff .. maybe you can explain the connection between those 2 cases, and especially, what bearing you believe Lennox Lewis' age had on the outcome of the MSG vs Shavers case?

[REDEEMER]

I am not a practicing attorney and contracts was not my area of expertise. However, I passed the NY bar exam on my first attempt in 1994 after graduating from Cardozo Law School. I just consult clients now on risk management and specialize in settling large auto insurance claims. It pays better.

First, let me help you. The case you were citing is Lewis v. Rahman, 147 F. Supp. 2d 225 where injunctive relief was granted largely due to Lewis' age. Same goes for Madison Square Garden Boxing, Inc. v. Shavers, 434 F. Supp. 449, where MSG was promoting a fight that Shavers wanted to back out of. Those are relevant precedents that could apply.

Except...

Injunctive relief is often and only granted if one party would be irreparably harmed without the injunction. That's tougher for AJ to prove given that there has been no promotion of the rematch, AJ no longer holds the belts, he's not so old as to be caused permanent damage by not getting an immediate rematch and the choice of location is far less important than the fight itself being held. Not every term in a contract is held to the same standard and AJ would have to prove harm that not holding it in, say, Cardiff is somehow results in irreparable harm. That's a much tougher standard. It doesn't mean that Ruiz can walk - and that's NEVER been my claim (as much as you try to say it has). It's just that there's always negotiating points and if Ruiz wants to put his foot down, he's going to be able to do so. It's probably going to cost him in other areas - split, rules, etc. - but there's always enough room to maneuver that it's not a simple matter of Hearn telling Ruiz where and when to show up. I fully expect Ruiz to accept the ultimate location of the fight as specified by Hearn but a skilled attorney would be able to provide options if Ruiz absolutely refused to go there.

But feel free to argue with me and tell me I'm wrong. After all, what else is the internet for?

Hearn has a binding contract of both parties and would use a permanent Injucture relief if they should be used and order a civil lawsuit so all the jargon jere is pointless

In short Ruiz wont and cant win here . He was a last minute replacement giving the opportunity and in court would get bull dozed with overwhelming evidence and would indeed br forced to fight Joshua with stipulations he agreed to because Joshua would get monetary damages to the effect Ruiz wouldn't afford due to Joshuas worth and would be proving he is halting his career so good luck with whatever you think because the fight still is going through where AJ likes. Ha