Who’s the last British heavyweight with a chin?

[elfag]

True. Him and Oliver McCall had godlike chins. Its very unusual to fight at the highest level as a HW and never be dropped.

Old man foreman never dropped in his second career, very impressive for his age and the number of flush shots he took. He was prime holyfields punching bag for 12 rounds.

[Cutthroat]

Yeah mayne

Ey yo Wilder lost like 50% of his slick black bruvva power by being a few pounds under yo

WBC yo

Haymon yo

Yeah mayne can't handle no black bruvva yo

Yo yo yo i aint black.

[Cutthroat]

No Fury had come down from a drug and alcohol addled 350lbs of sucidal depression. If you think that dont degrade you physically i cant help you. But he still had Wilder hitting thin air nearly all night. Still the consensus view was Wilder lost. Some of the hardest punching heavyweights have weighed in in the 210s or 220s.As for Ortiz, he was ill. You cant have high blood pressure and have good cardio. Sorry about that.

He did it for like 2 years lol, the way you people talk he's a 40 year old coming off 10 years of abuse and retirement. It takes WAY longer for that sort of drug abuse to have any major physical affects on the body. Fury didn't miss a beat vs Schwarz did he? That's the same Fury we've always seen.

Wilder is 6'7, name another hard hitting 212lb HW at that height and weight. Ortiz has never shown any sort of cardio issues in his career, again, where is the proof? Show me Ortiz gassing like Whyte.

[BoloShot]

Pretty much every HW boxer in the world has been knocked down at least once.

I'm not kidding I think Oliver McCall is probably the only one not to at the elite level ever.

[BoloShot]

Old man foreman never dropped in his second career, very impressive for his age and the number of flush shots he took. He was prime holyfields punching bag for 12 rounds.

Don't forget the equally vicious Tommy Morrisson tearing into him for 12 rounds much like Holyfield. Foreman survived bomb after bomb. I think he was forged in a lab as part of the Manhattan Project.

[Mindgames]

That's plenty of time to **** a cousin.

I dont think people in glass houses should throw stones. Theres plenty of evidence of that in the USA.. 🤔

[Mindgames]

He did it for like 2 years lol, the way you people talk he's a 40 year old coming off 10 years of abuse and retirement. It takes WAY longer for that sort of drug abuse to have any major physical affects on the body. Fury didn't miss a beat vs Schwarz did he? That's the same Fury we've always seen.

Wilder is 6'7, name another hard hitting 212lb HW at that height and weight. Ortiz has never shown any sort of cardio issues in his career, again, where is the proof? Show me Ortiz gassing like Whyte.

Two years of body abuse like that is plenty to destroy your body. I dont think you can fathom the effects of 8 stones of fat, drug and drink binges ect.Were not talking about coming back from 350lbs of crap to walk down the street, were talking about coming back from it to box 12 rounds at a good pace. How do you know it was the same Fury against Schwarz? Hes nowhere near world class. As for Ortiz, i was ringside for Malik Scott and Ortiz made old Foreman look like Joe Calzaghe. He was suffering high blood pressure. You cant be at the pinacle of athleticism when youve reached that stage. You left ventricle is stiff, your output is slow, and thats why he was gassed by round 7.Thats Deontays best win. As for hes power, nobody is doubting Wilder can hit at any weight. Tall thin fighters have often been some of the best fighters in boxing. Wilder has strong shoulders, a powerful upper body. 213lbs is plenty to knock out anyone. Alot of these heavies would weigh the same without the fat. So many people who sparred and fought him say hes a very hard puncher in comparison with alot of the heavier men in the division. Who do you think would know more?

[tophat1]

chisora could be classed as a durable fighter over the course of his career.

[Cutthroat]

Two years of body abuse like that is plenty to destroy your body. I dont think you can fathom the effects of 8 stones of fat, drug and drink binges ect.Were not talking about coming back from 350lbs of crap to walk down the street, were talking about coming back from it to box 12 rounds at a good pace. How do you know it was the same Fury against Schwarz? Hes nowhere near world class. As for Ortiz, i was ringside for Malik Scott and Ortiz made old Foreman look like Joe Calzaghe. He was suffering high blood pressure. You cant be at the pinacle of athleticism when youve reached that stage. You left ventricle is stiff, your output is slow, and thats why he was gassed by round 7.Thats Deontays best win. As for hes power, nobody is doubting Wilder can hit at any weight. Tall thin fighters have often been some of the best fighters in boxing. Wilder has strong shoulders, a powerful upper body. 213lbs is plenty to knock out anyone. Alot of these heavies would weigh the same without the fat. So many people who sparred and fought him say hes a very hard puncher in comparison with alot of the heavier men in the division. Who do you think would know more?

It's almost impossible to destroy your body in 2 years from binge drinking & NUMEROUS champions throughout the years have abused ******* while they were fighting at the top level.

Fury is 6'9, you have 5'10 guys gaining 50lb+ when they're not boxing. 100lbs at that size isn't that much especially when you consider how much smaller fighters routinely gain & shed.

Scott was in pure survival mode & got dropped 5x, not sure what your point is. That same Scott was actually out boxing Chisora before a premature stoppage.


Any time a guy loses weight like Wilder it's NEVER beneficial to them. The man was 6'7 212lbs, 212! Show me all the KO artists at that weight let alone height. Even guys in the 220s have trouble generating KO power.

[Mindgames]

It's almost impossible to destroy your body in 2 years from binge drinking & NUMEROUS champions throughout the years have abused ******* while they were fighting at the top level.

Fury is 6'9, you have 5'10 guys gaining 50lb+ when they're not boxing. 100lbs at that size isn't that much especially when you consider how much smaller fighters routinely gain & shed.

Scott was in pure survival mode & got dropped 5x, not sure what your point is. That same Scott was actually out boxing Chisora before a premature stoppage.


Any time a guy loses weight like Wilder it's NEVER beneficial to them. The man was 6'7 212lbs, 212! Show me all the KO artists at that weight let alone height. Even guys in the 220s have trouble generating KO power.

So your the expert that goes against consensus opinion voice by trainers like Emanuel Steward and Mayweather snr who say that large weight fluctuations adversely effect fighters reflexes? No to mention what alcohol and drug abuse can do to a body. Im sure most of us have seen drug amd alcohol abuse destroy people to the point their unrecognisable within that time period even in ordinary life. Let alone effect performance at high levels. Now my point about Ortiz is how shot he was against both Scott and Dave Allen, understandable since he had a circulation system illness,which is what high blood pressure is. It effects cardio, makes your heart work less efficiently, tires you quicker.Wilders weight doesnt reflect any loss of power. Several people are on youtube describing sparring with him in the time periods leading up to both the Ortiz and Fury fights. All describe him as a devastating puncher. Weight doesnt mean power, Bhop has mentioned that a few times. I mean, despite Ernie Shavers being one of the hardest hitters in history, Rid**** Bowe said nobody hit him harder than a 206 pound Herbie Hide. David Haye was described as a devastating puncher by many who fought him between 209 and 220.Mike Tyson punched hard between 214 and 218 according to guys like Mccall. Sure Wilder is taller, but so what? Freaks have always existed in boxing. How many 5 foot 6 guys like Qawi chewed up world level lightheavies? How many 40 year olds outpace and outspeed young top level fighters like Manny still can? Freaks exist. Only you doubt Wilders power. Performances where Wilder was heavier and got early stoppages werent because of extra power, it was indisputably because he was fighting far lower level opponents.