Lets speak FACTS. Hopkins, DLH & Pacquiao all rank higher than Floyd historically

[D4thincarnation]

it is not about beating welters, both of those guys fought in a number of different divisions..... it is about body-of-work historically

Pac's welterweight resume is rubbish to be honest

when Floyd was ranked #1, and Manny was ranked #2..... there was a long run of strong #3 welters..... Pac did not face one of those guys, instead preferring to fight in-house Top Rank JWW's..... until Bradley, Pac had never faced a top 5 welter..... but Floyd fought ALL of them

come on man, Mayweather would have beaten Thurman with his eyes shut

So you got no list of elite welters Floyd beat in his prime.

Floyd could have fought Thurman way back, Floyd turned the fight down, preferred to fight Andre Berto instead

[aboutfkntime]

So you got no list of elite welters Floyd beat in his prime.

Floyd could have fought Thurman way back, Floyd turned the fight down, preferred to fight Andre Berto instead

who the fk is Keith Thurman you silly cvnt ?

Pac beats Thurman..... so his ret4rded fanbase starts calling him the greatest of all time LMAO

dude, don't be ridiculous..... Pac is exactly the same fight historically except..... he now has Thurman on his resume

it's not like he beat Spence or Crawford..... is it ?

there was a long run of strong #3 welters..... but Pac did not face one of those guys

this is one guys take.....

"When you talk about just how great a fighter is, make sure you also judge them on their accomplishments. When I look at Bernard Hopkins, I think he is a guy that you have to take a second look at when you look at his career, and I think the same goes for Shane Mosley. I like Shane. Shane is a great guy and he is a good fighter. Both of them will probably make the Hall of Fame because a lot of sports writers loved these guys, but when you take a second look at their careers, you go, "Really?" Like I said, I love Shane and I think he is a wonderful fighter, and an even better person, but when you look at it, he's only beaten Oscar De La Hoya. All of his other big fights, he lost.

Bernard had 20 title defenses at middleweight, and I don't want to cast dispersions on that because you have a situation today where people win a title and then leave the division the very next fight, so the fact that he stayed in that division that long, to have 20 title defenses is a chore within itself, but then you start looking at it, it's like, "Who did he beat?" There is not really one good middleweight on that ledger that he beat where you go, "Man, if Bernard wouldn't have been here, then this guy would have been champion." There is not one person on that thing that you look at other than the two welterweights moving up, Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad. He beat two smaller men. Okay, I will give him that. And they will say he beat Antonio Tarver, but take a look at Antonio Tarver's career. When you beat someone great, then they don't lose again or they go on 15-fight winning streaks. Well, Antonio Tarver, he beat Roy Jones twice and that's it. He's 1-1 against Eric Harding. He's 1-1 against Glen Johnson. He lost to Chad Dawson twice and he's lost to Bernard Hopkins. So what is that, 4-6 against the best he's faced? So I don't get it. It just astonishes me.

Everybody will pick apart Floyd Mayweather because they don't like his antics on 24/7, and obviously being on the police radar every other month, and I'm not accepting of that either, but what he has done in the ring has been nothing short of perfect, but people will dissect his accomplishments in the ring and then they praise these other guys without giving them a second look. Even with Manny Pacquiao. I love Manny, he is a great fighter, but Manny should be judged on beating Morales twice, beating Juan Manuel Marquez at a lower weight, and beating Barrera twice. I mean, that's what he should be judged on. His last 6 fights, he didn't take it to another level; he handpicked his opponents."

after that point..... Pac had a run of about 8/9 weight-affected fights..... against lower-level inhouse Top Rank opponents many of whom were JWW's

Pac's resume is a bit of a mirage to be honest..... he never faced a top 5 welter until Bradley

[aboutfkntime]

Looks like you are ducking the question.

Q. You think losses are worst than ducking?

A. I think that taking a loss is worse than people making stuff up

Mayweather did not duck Pacquiao you dumb kid..... Pacquiao ducked random blood tests

FACT: everyone who agreed to testing, got that fight
FACT: nobody else refused random blood tests
FACT: when Pac finally agreed, he got the fight..... and his 8 ridiculous excuses miraculously disappeared, and were never mentioned once LMAO

once upon a time, those 8 ridiculous excuses were important enough to kill a super-fight..... but when Pac finally agreed to testing, which is when the Manny-cow had run dry..... suddenly those 8 ridiculous excuses were not even important enough to mention ONCE

[D4thincarnation]

who the fk is Keith Thurman you silly cvnt ?

Pac beats Thurman..... so his ret4rded fanbase starts calling him the greatest of all time LMAO

dude, don't be ridiculous..... Pac is exactly the same fight historically except..... he now has Thurman on his resume

it's not like he beat Spence or Crawford..... is it ?

there was a long run of strong #3 welters..... but Pac did not face one of those guys

this is one guys take.....

"When you talk about just how great a fighter is, make sure you also judge them on their accomplishments. When I look at Bernard Hopkins, I think he is a guy that you have to take a second look at when you look at his career, and I think the same goes for Shane Mosley. I like Shane. Shane is a great guy and he is a good fighter. Both of them will probably make the Hall of Fame because a lot of sports writers loved these guys, but when you take a second look at their careers, you go, "Really?" Like I said, I love Shane and I think he is a wonderful fighter, and an even better person, but when you look at it, he's only beaten Oscar De La Hoya. All of his other big fights, he lost.

Bernard had 20 title defenses at middleweight, and I don't want to cast dispersions on that because you have a situation today where people win a title and then leave the division the very next fight, so the fact that he stayed in that division that long, to have 20 title defenses is a chore within itself, but then you start looking at it, it's like, "Who did he beat?" There is not really one good middleweight on that ledger that he beat where you go, "Man, if Bernard wouldn't have been here, then this guy would have been champion." There is not one person on that thing that you look at other than the two welterweights moving up, Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad. He beat two smaller men. Okay, I will give him that. And they will say he beat Antonio Tarver, but take a look at Antonio Tarver's career. When you beat someone great, then they don't lose again or they go on 15-fight winning streaks. Well, Antonio Tarver, he beat Roy Jones twice and that's it. He's 1-1 against Eric Harding. He's 1-1 against Glen Johnson. He lost to Chad Dawson twice and he's lost to Bernard Hopkins. So what is that, 4-6 against the best he's faced? So I don't get it. It just astonishes me.

Everybody will pick apart Floyd Mayweather because they don't like his antics on 24/7, and obviously being on the police radar every other month, and I'm not accepting of that either, but what he has done in the ring has been nothing short of perfect, but people will dissect his accomplishments in the ring and then they praise these other guys without giving them a second look. Even with Manny Pacquiao. I love Manny, he is a great fighter, but Manny should be judged on beating Morales twice, beating Juan Manuel Marquez at a lower weight, and beating Barrera twice. I mean, that's what he should be judged on. His last 6 fights, he didn't take it to another level; he handpicked his opponents."

after that point..... Pac had a run of about 8/9 weight-affected fights..... against lower-level inhouse Top Rank opponents many of whom were JWW's

Pac's resume is a bit of a mirage to be honest..... he never faced a top 5 welter until Bradley

Still no list, and you think Berto was better than Thurman

I see why you are Mayweather fan. You like avoiding.

[D4thincarnation]

A. I think that taking a loss is worse than people making stuff up

Mayweather did not duck Pacquiao you dumb kid..... Pacquiao ducked random blood tests

FACT: everyone who agreed to testing, got that fight
FACT: nobody else refused random blood tests
FACT: when Pac finally agreed, he got the fight..... and his 8 ridiculous excuses miraculously disappeared, and were never mentioned once LMAO

once upon a time, those 8 ridiculous excuses were important enough to kill a super-fight..... but when Pac finally agreed to testing, which is when the Manny-cow had run dry..... suddenly those 8 ridiculous excuses were not even important enough to mention ONCE

Simple question.

What is worst, Ducking? or taking an L?

Will you answer or will you continue to avoid simple questions.

[aboutfkntime]

Simple question.

What is worst, Ducking? or taking an L?

Will you answer or will you continue to avoid simple questions.

I think that taking a loss is worse than dopey pac-tards making stuff up

when Mayweather gets KTFO half-a-dozen times like Pacquiao did..... THEN you can get to me

only then ^^

[aboutfkntime]

Still no list, and you think Berto was better than Thurman

I see why you are Mayweather fan. You like avoiding.

I know that Zab Judah was a LOT better than Thurman

and so was Pacquiao, when Floyd whooped on him

when did Thurman become great, you muppet ?

[D4thincarnation]

I know that Zab Judah was a LOT better than Thurman

and so was Pacquiao, when Floyd whooped on him

when did Thurman become great, you muppet ?

So you list is Zab Judah

[D4thincarnation]

I think that taking a loss is worse than dopey pac-tards making stuff up

when Mayweather gets KTFO half-a-dozen times like Pacquiao did..... THEN you can get to me

only then ^^

Not the question I asked.

What are you afraid of.

I'm asking you your opinion, and you are afraid to give it.

What is up with that?

[01samuelc]

I'm sorry but Benard Hopkins is so overrated round these parts it's not even funny.