Who was the better fighter?

[Boxing_1013]

Thanks for confirming you're a casual and you opinion is worthless.

I'm just intellectually honest lol...you should try it some time

What is your opinion of Josh's wins/resume though? You keep ducking me

[bigdunny1]

Honestly if prime versions of those guys fought...and weight was no issue...Lara would probably make it a much closer fight than it should have been and I could see Murray getting to 7 rounds depending on the night.

Skill wise it is not close...but Lara always had those moments of listlessness and as a fan of his it bothers me...it is the reason why his Hurd and Vanes fights were so close...and while I felt he won all of those he made them closer than he needed to.

He pissed away the last 4 rounds imo to Canelo too...and cost himself that fight on my card.

[New England]

lara by a long shot is the more accomplished fighter. he was the best 154 lber in the world at one time.

but murray is a bigger guy and if they were in their primes i don't think lara would just walk through him. weight classes matter and lara didn't have a dynamite chin. he was not that kind of fighter. he'd probably win a close decision, the way he often does with guys who make him work

[Boxing_1013]

Murray was a huge 160lber with a solid chin and solid fundamentals, he was better than a gatekeeper but not world champion material, in the end he couldn't get over the line against two faded champions.

Lara is fast, has elite boxing skills and underrated toughness. There is no comparison between them, Lara is a far superior fighter in his weight class, he is knocking on the door to elite, but prob never quite made it to that.

Skill wise I agree...it wasn't really close imo.

But style wise it was actually not a great 1-1 matchup for Lara...his bouts of inactivity and Murray's constancy would give Martin more rounds than he deserves imo...Lara should win 10-2 but I could see him giving up rounds to get close to 6-6.

It's the same reason why his fights with Vanes Trout Hurd and Canelo were close...even Castano I guess but I haven't watched that one in total yet.

[New England]

he's not wrong. if they were the same size i don't think lara would fuss much with him, but given the size and lara's tendency to get outworked and lacking professionalism i could absolutely see the fight being close. that's the kind of fighter lara is / was. styles make fights, fighters make fights. i really don't see it going any other way, frankly. this is the exact kind of workmanlike pro that amounts to more than the sum of his parts when he fights an uber talented amateur-turned-pro like lara. lara would let him stay in the fight because he doesn't know any other way.

[Boxing_1013]

Dude I like Lara a lot...but that's just how it was when he fought lol...as I said, skill wise not really close...Lara is one of the best pure boxers I've ever seen.

[Boxing_1013]

he's not wrong. if they were the same size i don't think lara would fuss much with him, but given the size and lara's tendency to get outworked and lacking professionalism i could absolutely see the fight being close. that's the kind of fighter lara is / was. styles make fights, fighters make fights. i really don't see it going any other way, frankly. this is the exact kind of workmanlike pro that amounts to more than the sum of his parts when he fights an uber talented amateur-turned-pro like lara. lara would let him stay in the fight because he doesn't know any other way.

Yep thanks...we see this one the same way...

[bigdunny1]

he's not wrong. if they were the same size i don't think lara would fuss much with him, but given the size and lara's tendency to get outworked and lacking professionalism i could absolutely see the fight being close. that's the kind of fighter lara is / was. styles make fights, fighters make fights. i really don't see it going any other way, frankly. this is the exact kind of workmanlike pro that amounts to more than the sum of his parts when he fights an uber talented amateur-turned-pro like lara. lara would let him stay in the fight because he doesn't know any other way.

The Genesis of this is not who wins if you force Lara to give up weight and fought at 160, it started from this clown saying GGG beating Murray at 160 is a better win then Canelo beating Lara at 154. Lara is a much better win on Canelo resume because he is just flat out a better and more accomplished fighter. If you handicapping Lara and force him to move up in weight instead not forcing Murray to come down to his weight....I would still bet money on Lara. He was a elite fighter and Murray is just a avg middleweight nothing more nothing less. But if you force any smaller fighter to go up in weight it makes the fight closer because you facing bigger men and that's harder...kind of why GGG ducked Ward and spoke about 154 or 168 forever but the coward never did it. But the question is which fighter is better and thus beating which guy is better for your resume.

[sunny31]

Skill wise I agree...it wasn't really close imo.

But style wise it was actually not a great 1-1 matchup for Lara...his bouts of inactivity and Murray's constancy would give Martin more rounds than he deserves imo...Lara should win 10-2 but I could see him giving up rounds to get close to 6-6.

It's the same reason why his fights with Vanes Trout Hurd and Canelo were close...even Castano I guess but I haven't watched that one in total yet.

Yeah but the thread is not set up to be a head to head.

Also Trout close? Are you high? Lara whipped him

[Boxing_1013]

The Genesis of this is not who wins if you force Lara to give up weight and fought at 160, it started from this clown saying GGG beating Murray at 160 is a better win then Canelo beating Lara at 154. Lara is a much better win on Canelo resume because he is just flat out a better and more accomplished fighter. If you handicapping Lara and force him to move up in weight instead not forcing Murray to come down to his weight....I would still bet money on Lara. He was a elite fighter and Murray is just a avg middleweight nothing more nothing less. But if you force any smaller fighter to go up in weight it makes the fight closer because you facing bigger men and that's harder...kind of why GGG ducked Ward and spoke about 154 or 168 forever but the coward never did it. But the question is which fighter is better and thus beating which guy is better for your resume.

The tendencies for both fighters still apply...Lara imo was beating Canelo 5-3 then he gave away the last 4 rounds because he doesn't have the next gear to take it up a level...he is too cool in there and coasts...great fighter still, and a great talent...but you aren't grading guys just by their skills.

It's how they do in a 12 round fight...and Murray was more or less as formidable as Lara was at that time...and GGG imo was more impressive vs Murray as he probably didn't drop a round and got the KO.

It's hypothetical but if Canelo fought Murray at that time...I mean I don't think he KOs him and it is probably an 8-4 type fight his way...Murray was in there with some good punchers and fighters in his career and only 1 stopped him.