Comments Thread For: Bivol To Canelo: If You Want a Real Challenge - Look No Further!

[Boxing Logic]

So if Wilder says he can drop to 175 lbs to challenge Cinnamon. And Nelo doesn’t fight him. Then Fanboi logic is, he’s ducking him?

In that scenario, you call the bluff, you send the contracts to Wilder, and when Wilder backs out because he cant make 175 and he knows it, you are vindicated. The difference with Bivol is it's not a bluff, he can actually make 168. And Canelo just fought at 168.

[Boxing Logic]

What’s GGG waiting on to fight someone other than Canelo that has a pulse??? Or is it ROLLS City from here on out?

I got $300 Canelo fight a higher RANKED and skilled fighter next while GGG does Bumfights.com?

That's like arguing Quillin was more willing to fight the best than prime GGG because Quillin got the Jacobs fight before GGG, and at that point in time, Quillin had faced a better middleweight than anyone GGG had fought.

It of course leaves out the fact that GGG tried to fight Quillin and Jacobs themselves, but they were the ones to turn it down, talking about needing to get paid like Floyd even though no one knew them, or about not being ready for GGG for 2 more years.

Just like you left out the fact GGG's first choice is to fight Canelo, and it's Canelo turning it down. So your argument only works if Canelo fights someone better than... Canelo, the guy GGG is trying to fight, but won't fight him. Comparing who Canelo fights next to who GGG fights next, after Canelo turns down GGG, is a ridiculous argument.

GGG wants to fight Canelo. He gets credit for that. To give Canelo credit over GGG for the next opponent, Canelo would have to fight someone better than the boxer GGG is trying to fight, Canelo.

So if Canelo loses his next fight to someone better than Canelo, someone better than himself, then he'll get credit for fighting someone better than GGG tried to fight. Otherwise, no.

[Boxing Logic]

Canelo’s resume is full of opponents who were either top guys but too old like Mayweather, Cotto, GGG, Rhodes, and if they were young and skillful they had no punching power like Lara and Trout. If they had punching power, they had little skill, like Kirkland and Angulo. He managed to fight a young, prime, big, hard punching fighter in Jacobs only after the king of the division (GGG) gave him an L first. Now he wants to weightdrain Kovalev, but wouldn’t call out prime Andre Ward at a catchweight like GGG did when he said he’d fight Ward at 164lbs.

I bet money that Canelo will now be brave enough to fight Steve Rolls, only after seeing GGG almost decapitate him.

Watching Canelo’s career is like watching a circus. The DLH and Canelo Snow, together they are the Golden Girls. Their specialty is ducking, dodging challenges, going through hoops and summersaulting away from their opponents.

Meanwhile GGG is having to fight all the dangerous opponents 160 has to offer...Jacobs, Rolls, Brook, Wade, Stevens, Rubio, Vanes, Lemiuex, Monroe, Geale.

You lost me with most the names at the end there, but until then, you hit the nail on the head. Just like Floyd, always cherry picking fighters who are missing a key element of being a top boxer, whether its age, weight, speed, skill, power, etc. Top boxers have all those things, not all but 1 or 2. Missing 1 or 2 of those key elements tends to mean you're not a top boxer (anymore, when it comes to age).

[Warrior Scholar]

You lost me with most the names at the end there, but until then, you hit the nail on the head. Just like Floyd, always cherry picking fighters who are missing a key element of being a top boxer, whether its age, weight, speed, skill, power, etc. Top boxers have all those things, not all but 1 or 2. Missing 1 or 2 of those key elements tends to mean you're not a top boxer (anymore, when it comes to age).

Hey.

Concerning your sig, isn't it ironic that Heavyweights can fight into their mid forties, yet deliver significantly more brain damage with each strike than their smaller counterparts?

[Robertthebruce]

And the Fanboi emerges He’s moving up 2 weight classes from his natural weight. I’d be really dumb to go straight into a fight with the top guy in the division when he most likely is taller and outweighs you(brook, Kahn, Mickey). And has been competing at that weight his whole career. He’s Challenging another champion who by the way is still very dangerous. Who has huge power and can also box. He’s not picking a fight with Steve Rolls for ***s sake. I don’t see you saying that the other LHW champs or Smith and Ramirez are ducking Bivol. If Kovalev is there for the taking why isn’t Lovkin moving up for challenge. Didn’t he Ko Kovalev In sparring? He won’t even fight a top 10 MW. Instead he’s challenging guys ranked #94th in the world at MW I have one question for you. Why are you Fanboi?

Get drug cheat canelo's red nuts out ya mouth son

[-Kev-]

You lost me with most the names at the end there, but until then, you hit the nail on the head. Just like Floyd, always cherry picking fighters who are missing a key element of being a top boxer, whether its age, weight, speed, skill, power, etc. Top boxers have all those things, not all but 1 or 2. Missing 1 or 2 of those key elements tends to mean you're not a top boxer (anymore, when it comes to age).

FYI those names I mentioned at the bottom, along with the rest of GGG resume, have a combined 1,348 wins (1267 KOs) [93% KO Ratio] - only 23 losses (only 3 by KO) - and 6 draws.

This technically makes GGG’s resume among the top 35 best dating back from 1953 - 2019, according to just wins, losses, and draws.

[Boxing Logic]

I would love to see Canelo/Bivol at 168 with a rehydration max of say 180 or so. Bivol has to make some concessions because Canelo is the "money" is this fight. Can Bivol out box and out fight Canelo? Can Bivol take Canelo's best shots? Very intriguing matchup!

In what world do you think Canelo will give concessions to Bivol? Bivol only rehydrates to 181 or something normally. 180 is easy for him. It's Canelo that would probably rehydrate to at least 185 if not 190.

[_Rexy_]

I was just thinking that this is almost as bad as GGG calling out Floyd.

Is it as bad as Canelo calling out a 42 year old Floyd 6 months ago for a rematch at 160?

[Boxing Logic]

Hey.

Concerning your sig, isn't it ironic that Heavyweights can fight into their mid forties, yet deliver significantly more brain damage with each strike than their smaller counterparts?

I guess it depends how you define ironic. In some sense, I guess it's ironic, but in another, it's just science. The first thing to go when fighters decline in lower weight classes, especially in this era where guys only fight 2-3 times per year, is not usually the ability to take a punch, it's reflexes. And at the lower weights, you need faster reflexes because more punches are thrown and much faster. At heavyweight it's more about power, less about speed, so even if you lose a little speed, you can still last, especially if you have a huge size advantage over most opponents like the Klitschkos did. If you look at smaller heavyweights like Usyk or Ruiz, I bet they wont do well in their late thirties either.

[_Rexy_]

Another thread full of Canelo groupies saying Bivol doesn’t deserve to fight Canelo.

Nobody deserves to fight Canelo unless they take $50 and weigh no more than 164lbs on fight night.