Today's heavyweight scene is brilliant, but they need to fight

[juggernaut666]

Here are some HW matchups I want to see...

Fury vs AJ
Fury vs Andy Ruiz
Fury vs Wilder II
Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk
Fury vs Dillian Whyte

Andy Ruiz vs AJ II
Andy Ruiz vs Wilder
Andy Ruiz vs Alexander Povetkin
Andy Ruiz vs Jarrell Miller
Andy Ruiz vs Luis Ortiz

Wilder vs AJ
Wilder vs Jarrell Miller
Wilder vs Dillian Whyte
Wilder vs Adam Kownacki

AJ vs Dillian Whyte
AJ vs Jarrell Miller
AJ vs Oleksandr Usyk

Whyte vs Luis Ortiz
Whyte vs Alexander Povetkin

Jarrell Miller vs Kubrat Pulev
Jarrell Miller vs Luis Ortiz
Jarrell Miller vs Adam Kownacki

Povetkin vs Oleksandr Usyk
Povetkin vs Oscar Rivas

Usyk vs Joseph Parker

Luis Ortiz vs Alexander Povetkin

Kubrat Pulev vs Oscar Rivas



Lets put these Up-n-Comers and Prospects to the test...


Joseph Parker vs Daniel Dubois

Adam Kownacki vs Joe Joyce

Oscar Rivas vs Tony Yoka

Hughie Fury vs Chris Arreola

Dominic Breazeale vs Efe Ajagba

Gerald Washington vs Filip Hrgovic

Tyrone Spong vs Nathan Gorman

Joyce and Hrgovic aren't prospects. they also fought already outside pros.) And are immediate title contender threats right now.




Hughie Fury isn't a prospect either hes had title fights. Hes NOT a top 10 guy.




These two are the best prospects you are going to see.

1. Vlad Sirenko

2. Sonny Conto


Other ones to watch out for in no order.....Trey Morrison, George Arias , Arsen Mahkmudov , Guido Vienello, Junior Fa, ( almost slipped his last fight ), Martin Bakole ( has one loss ), , Ivan Dychko , Darmani Rock ,off the top off my head.

[USMCer]

Joyce and Hrgovic aren't prospects. they also fought already outside pros.) And are immediate title contender threats right now.

Hughie Fury isn't a prospect either hes had title fights. Hes NOT a top 10 guy.

These two are the best prospects you are going to see.
1. Vlad Sirenko
2. Sonny Conto

Other ones to watch out for in no order.....Trey Morrison, George Arias , Arsen Mahkmudov , Guido Vienello, Junior Fa, ( almost slipped his last fight ), Martin Bakole ( has one loss ), , Ivan Dychko , Darmani Rock ,off the top off my head.

I'll debate that first part a bit.

Joyce took out a 39-year old Stiverne, are you saying that makes him an immediate threat for Contendership??? Nah, that's his first step up. Hrgovic has an even weaker best-win, a 46-year old Amir Mansour (who is fodder for prospects/up-n-comers) .

There is some room for interpretation of the terms "Prospect" and "Up-n-Comer" so I'll agree that Joyce and Hrgovic may not be "Prospects" per se, but they're farther from being "Title Contenders" than they are "Up-n-Comers".

Also, experience/age play a factor. Joyce and Hrgovic are still in single-digit wins in their career! Hughie Fury is still only 24 yrs old.

For perspective, Hughie was 21 years old in fight before his "Title Fight" with Parker. And just because a Prospect/Up-n-Comer is thrown in with a higher level guy, and loses, that doesn't change that fighters' designation as a Prospect/Up-n-Comer. They simply may not have been ready yet. Whatever the case, again, Hughie is still only 24 yrs old.


I'm going to check those guys out who you mentioned.

[juggernaut666]

I'll debate that first part a bit.

Joyce took out a 39-year old Stiverne, are you saying that makes him an immediate threat for Contendership??? Nah, that's his first step up. Hrgovic has an even weaker best-win, a 46-year old Amir Mansour (who is fodder for prospects/up-n-comers) .

There is some room for interpretation of the terms "Prospect" and "Up-n-Comer" so I'll agree that Joyce and Hrgovic may not be "Prospects" per se, but they're farther from being "Title Contenders" than they are "Up-n-Comers".

Also, experience/age play a factor. Joyce and Hrgovic are still in single-digit wins in their career! Hughie Fury is still only 24 yrs old.

For perspective, Hughie was 21 years old in fight before his "Title Fight" with Parker. And just because a Prospect/Up-n-Comer is thrown in with a higher level guy, and loses, that doesn't change that fighters' designation as a Prospect/Up-n-Comer. They simply may not have been ready yet. Whatever the case, again, Hughie is still only 24 yrs old.


I'm going to check those guys out who you mentioned.

Joyce has experience and a true legit threat ,just ask Fury when he brought him in for Wilder .


Joyce also in his first fight won the U.K belt and will be handful ...this guy is not a prospect and neither is Hrgovic for similar reasons....its all about levels not age .



Hughie fought for title ...prospects DONT do that or going from being in top 15 which prospects don't belong.



Both Joyce and Hrgovic defeats Whyte right now,im telling you that now and hes around a top 5 fighter as is.



The fighters I mentioned particulary number 2 guys are going to emerge the top ones bc again levels and I see very threating group there,beyond DDD,Gorman and Efe.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Hilarious! Holy would get inside on wilder and ko him

NONE of the modern guys would beat Lewis

Plus none of these heavyweights seem to be able to fight at a intense pace. Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe trilogy where fights all fought at a very intense pace, not only where their body movements much faster but it seemed to me? That their thought processes and ability to calculate moves was like the matrix compared to these new school heavyweights.

I can remember as a kid, Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield I was labeled a lack luster fight 'But looking back in comparison to Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Kiltschko OR Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury' some of these fights at elite level from the 90's where fought in a totally different gear 'Entirely different realm of reality'.

Tyson Fury is not out boxing Lennox Lewis, and he is not hurting him which suggest he would probably be beaten up very badly. 'And I don't even think his engine is good enough to mess Lewis about for 12 rounds' In Tyson Fury's greatest fight and performance the fight was really really slow, and he was even fatigued during that performance.

Anthony Joshua, and probably even Andy Ruiz Junior are guys that could walk into the 90's and adapt to that environment. But of course yes, Deontay Wilder with his power would always be dangerous.

[juggernaut666]

Plus none of these heavyweights seem to be able to fight at a intense pace. Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe trilogy where fights all fought at a very intense pace, not only where their body movements much faster but it seemed to me? That their thought processes and ability to calculate moves was like the matrix compared to these new school heavyweights.

I can remember as a kid, Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield I was labeled a lack luster fight 'But looking back in comparison to Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Kiltschko OR Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury' some of these fights at elite level from the 90's where fought in a totally different gear 'Entirely different realm of reality'.

Tyson Fury is not out boxing Lennox Lewis, and he is not hurting him which suggest he would probably be beaten up very badly. 'And I don't even think his engine is good enough to mess Lewis about for 12 rounds' In Tyson Fury's greatest fight and performance the fight was really really slow, and he was even fatigued during that performance.

Anthony Joshua, and probably even Andy Ruiz Junior are guys that could walk into the 90's and adapt to that environment. But of course yes, Deontay Wilder with his power would always be dangerous.

Holyfield was 205 in one of those Bowe fights ,hes going to have great punch out put. Bowe had many fights we don't know if others will match him but Whyte .Gorman,Joyce and Miller ( peds ,maybe those guys were to? ) show great punch counts and work rates. I think ;parker and Ruiz are no slouches either with fast pace.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Holyfield was 205 in one of those Bowe fights ,hes going to have great punch out put. Bowe had many fights we don't know if others will match him but Whyte .Gorman,Joyce and Miller ( peds ,maybe those guys were to? ) show great punch counts and work rates. I think ;parker and Ruiz are no slouches either with fast pace.

Dillian Whyte has gone backwards, he can't fight at a pace in my opinion 'And has given us all this illusion that his boxing skills have massively improved' but I will say this? I would like to see him Fight Fury or Wilder.

Yes I suppose Parker is alright, he is a good enough boxer 'I tend to find that he fights well within himself at times'.

[juggernaut666]

Dillian Whyte has gone backwards, he can't fight at a pace in my opinion 'And has given us all this illusion that his boxing skills have massively improved' but I will say this? I would like to see him Fight Fury or Wilder.

Yes I suppose Parker is alright, he is a good enough boxer 'I tend to find that he fights well within himself at times'.

Whyte throws to many punches so no its not the problem its actually why he gasses but still maintains high punch out puts. Parker got that knockdown bc of Whytes own exhaustion and not selective punching. The guys who weigh over 240 really need to be careful,even Wlad klitchko found that out and went from crazy offense to defense first.


Whyte doesn't have a good enough right hand to deal with Fury and if he lunges against wilder with that looping right its game over. He could land the hook on Wilder but who will land first ? Cant say id pick Whyte in that one but could be nail biter.

Whytes an excellent hook puncher but he really lacks elite straight shots and it hurts his overall game and makes fights way more difficult for him,the reason is he doesn't plant his feet correct and it makes his punches less accurate outside a left hook and great body shot work.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Whyte throws to many punches so no its not the problem its actually why he gasses but still maintains high punch out puts. Parker got that knockdown bc of Whytes own exhaustion and not selective punching. The guys who weigh over 240 really need to be careful,even Wlad klitchko found that out and went from crazy offense to defense first.


Whyte doesn't have a good enough right hand to deal with Fury and if he lunges against wilder with that looping right its game over. He could land the hook on Wilder but who will land first ? Cant say id pick Whyte in that one but could be nail biter.

Whytes an excellent hook puncher but he really lacks elite straight shots and it hurts his overall game and makes fights way more difficult for him,the reason is he doesn't plant his feet correct and it makes his punches less accurate outside a left hook and great body shot work.

Yes I have noticed that with his footwork, I do wonder whether this is ingrained in him from his kick boxing days. 'One thing that I like about Whyte is? His willingness to go to the body at times on his opponents' I think Whyte is a tad too heavyweight of late, but I have noticed that he changes from fight to fight. 'His next fight should be interesting'.

No idea how good his opponent is, just some a short clip of him beating Jennings 'But by all reports he is a solid fighter'.

[juggernaut666]

Yes I have noticed that with his footwork, I do wonder whether this is ingrained in him from his kick boxing days. 'One thing that I like about Whyte is? His willingness to go to the body at times on his opponents' I think Whyte is a tad too heavyweight of late, but I have noticed that he changes from fight to fight. 'His next fight should be interesting'.

No idea how good his opponent is, just some a short clip of him beating Jennings 'But by all reports he is a solid fighter'.

That's what it is, when someone has their foot pointed 90 degrees sideways they are throwing a round house kick its a dead giveaway if you know point direction of someones toes and he plants it in that position which why he flops his right hand with looping technique from distance.


Rivas has never fought a power puncher so at 6 foot I expect Whyte to look advanced here with less traveling to do with that right hand so he should be a two handed fighter here and win convincinlgly against a guy I don't have in top 15 on my list, we'll see bc Whyte sometimes gives up early rounds to calculate a big landing punch later.

[Nash out]

1. Fury
2. Wilder
3. Lewis
4. Ali
5. Helenius (before the injuries)