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  • Robi13
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    #31
    Originally posted by Jab jab boom
    stop defending Canelo by bring g up ggg and stick yo the topic. Was ggg Canelos mandatory? Yes or no? Did Canelo fight khan during that time instead and then drop the belt and face Smith rather than facing ggg? Was Charlo canelos mandatory when ggg faced fielding? Yes or no? Has Canelo now dropped that belt again? And as far as Canelo facing ggg twice in a row, that sounds better than it is. He had a full yr break in between those fights.
    You’re an idiot if you don’t know that the reason canelo vacated was because he was a side and team ggg wanted to take the fight to purse bid. To get that 55-45 split. You think that’s smart to let ggg have 55-45 in fight one? Ok then stfu idiot
    Last edited by Robi13; 07-06-2019, 11:21 AM.

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    • BigStomps
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      #32
      Originally posted by Jab jab boom
      There are 2 occasions where he dropped belts. Once when ggg was his mandatory and right now he did drop a belt again. That frnschise title is trash and a weak way to not get Canelo forced into a blatant drop of a title. Now if he fights someone that considered a step up or equal to Charlo, OK. But that remains to be seen. When he dropped the belt instead of facing ggg, he definitely fought lesser fighters than what ggg was.
      When did the WBC tell Canelo to fight Charlo?? Did they enforce the mandatory???
      So how did he drop the title??
      Did Al Haymon or Charlo try to make the Canelo fight???

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      • Jab jab boom
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        #33
        Originally posted by BigStomps
        You make great valid points but it goes both ways! You say you keep it real and it don't matter to you a fighter's skin color and nationality. But yet you keep hating on Canelo...
        If you look at most of the Canelo haters it's cause he's Mexican! Simple as that! And I'll admit everything you said also. If Canelo wasn't Mexican then he would be hated on by some Canelo fans also. But that's why I said it goes both ways.
        Black people were content when a black fighter was the biggest star in boxing and the A side and was doing whatever he wanted... But now that it's a Mexican who's the A side and the biggest star in Boxing and calling the shots well now they have a problem with it...
        Me, I've always kept it real! I gave Mayweather all the props in the world and I'm giving Canelo all the props in the world!.
        People keep saying he's ducking Charlo but I don't see it. It's all boxing politics from both sides that are keeping the Canelo-Charlo fight from happening. And I'm sure you know that! If Al Haymon really wanted to match Charlo against Canelo then you would have heard it from Charlo's big mouth that they've reached out to Canelo and Oscar about making the fight happen. But you've never heard Charlo say that cause deep down Al Haymon don't want the fight to happen either. He knows the only way the fight happens it's on DAZN. And I don't see Al Haymon sending his guys to other networks... Simple as that!
        there will always be fans who hate on fighters because of race or nationality. That's just how it is. So yes, Canelo does receive some hate because he's Mexican. But, when it comes to boxing, he's clearly benefitted more from being Mexican. Mainly because Mexico has the largest and most passionate fan base in boxing. Can you think of 1 boxer who has received the fan fare that Canelo has since he was around 19 that was never an Olympian? A large reason why he became as popular as he is was because he was a Mexican with a unique look that they felt had cross over appeal. Floyd became who he was through the Olympics, his talent and then because of the money persona that he created. L.. And that took a long time. Oscar was who he was because he was a Mexican American Olympic gold medalist with a touching story about his mother. Sugar ray Leonard was also an Olympian coming in. Canelo came in with high publicity without any of that... Other than the talent and him being Mexican.

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        • Jab jab boom
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          #34
          Originally posted by Robi13
          You’re an idiot if you don’t know that the reason canelo vacated was because he was a side and team ggg wanted to take the fight to purse bid. To get that 55-45 split. You think that’s smart to let ggg have 55-45 in right one? Ok then stfu idiot
          you're an idiot if you don't realize that if Canelo really wanted that fight, he could've negotiated other financial terms for that fight. That 55-45 split only comes into play if it gets to a purse bid. You have the option to negotiate on your own. Canelo could've done that. He chose not to. It wasn't ggg who refused to negotiate or inistsed on a purse bid. Golden boy never even tried.

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            #35
            Originally posted by BigStomps
            When did the WBC tell Canelo to fight Charlo?? Did they enforce the mandatory???
            So how did he drop the title??
            Did Al Haymon or Charlo try to make the Canelo fight???
            it's known if you're a mandatory, that you get a shot at the champ. Especially if you've been so for about 2 yrs. Charlo was at the point that he could've taken the wbc to court to enforce his shot, so they changed their rules on the spot to benefit Canelo. Again, if Canelo fights a low level fight in Sept, this looks even worse l. If he ends up vs andrade, Smith at 168,or a rematch with ggg, then nobody will care much. I'm not big on the Kovalev idea since he's old and 3-3 in his last 6. How this looks will all depend on who Canelo chooses to fight in Sept.
            Last edited by Jab jab boom; 07-06-2019, 11:29 AM.

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              #36
              Sorry Bread but have to disagree with you on Hopkins being classified as "great."

              Hopkins didn't beat any elite middleweights and the best 2 names on his resume were welterweights.

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              • Robi13
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                #37
                Originally posted by Jab jab boom
                you're an idiot if you don't realize that if Canelo really wanted that fight, he could've negotiated other financial terms for that fight. That 55-45 split only comes into play if it gets to a purse bid. You have the option to negotiate on your own. Canelo could've done that. He chose not to. It wasn't ggg who refused to negotiate or inistsed on a purse bid. Golden boy never even tried.
                I get that, but knowing that if the fight goes to a purse bid the split is 55–45 gives less leverage to canelo and more to ggg right? So eliminating that was the right move for canelo... and that’s not defending canelo that’s being logical and making the best business move for himself

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                • BigStomps
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Jab jab boom
                  there will always be fans who hate on fighters because of race or nationality. That's just how it is. So yes, Canelo does receive some hate because he's Mexican. But, when it comes to boxing, he's clearly benefitted more from being Mexican. Mainly because Mexico has the largest and most passionate fan base in boxing. Can you think of 1 boxer who has received the fan fare that Canelo has since he was around 19 that was never an Olympian? A large reason why he became as popular as he is was because he was a Mexican with a unique look that they felt had cross over appeal. Floyd became who he was through the Olympics, his talent and then because of the money persona that he created. L.. And that took a long time. Oscar was who he was because he was a Mexican American Olympic gold medalist with a touching story about his mother. Sugar ray Leonard was also an Olympian coming in. Canelo came in with high publicity without any of that... Other than the talent and him being Mexican.
                  So how is it Canelo's fault that he's Mexican? You can't blame him for that!
                  But let's not pretend that Canelo isn't a gifted fighter. If you think he's has bad scorecards go his way or if you think he's been benefitted because he's Mexican then that's on you.
                  But let's not act like Canelo isn't a great fighter...

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                  • BigStomps
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Jab jab boom
                    it's known if you're a mandatory, that you get a shot at the champ. Especially if you've been so for about 2 yrs. Charlo was at the point that he could've taken the wbc to court to enforce his shot, so they changed their rules on the spot to benefit Canelo. Again, if Canelo fights a low level fight in Sept, this looks even worse l. If he ends up vs andrade, Smith at 168,or a rematch with ggg, then nobody will care much. I'm not big on the Kovalev idea since he's old and 3-3 in his last 6. How this looks will all depend on who Canelo chooses to fight in Sept.
                    Then why didn't Charlo take the WBC to court to ensure his shot??? When did he reach out to Canelo or Golden Boy promotions to make a Canelo-Charlo fight happen????
                    Maybe he really didn't want his shot,.... 🤔🤔
                    Think about it man. It takes two to make a fight happen...
                    Why didn't Charlo or Al Haymon reach out to Canelo or Golden Boy promotions about making the fight???
                    If you or me really want something that we feel we deserve we're gonna speak up on it right???
                    So why didn't Charlo speak up and demand his mandatory from Golden boy promotions????

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                      #40
                      Andrade is sort of like a poor man's version of Michael Nunn.

                      It's not a bad comparison.

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