Floyd-JMM/Floyd-canelo? Which CW fight is the worse?

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  • boliodogs
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    #51
    I would say the Marquez catchweight was worse because Mayweather agreed to 144 but weighed in at 146.

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    • SplitSecond
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      #52
      Originally posted by Lopez_Boxing
      wasn't it canelo that initially offered a cw?
      Canelo offered 150 2 years before he got the fight.

      "I'll tell you the truth of what happened," Alvarez said in Spanish through translator Eric Gomez. "Why would I give up the weight? I'm at 154. I'm the 154-pound champion.

      "I wouldn't do that. But when the (fight) negotiations started, they wanted me to go to 147. I said that's physically impossible. I couldn't do it. Then they inched up to 150. I said I can't do it, that's impossible. Those days are over. I can't make that weight anymore, I've grown.

      "Then they went up to 151. And then finally, so we could make the fight, I said, 'If anything, I'll give up two pounds. I'll go up to 152. I agreed to that. Then they tried to force me to be quiet and not to mention anything that they came up with the weight of 152. And that's why ... I haven't said anything until now.

      "They said we were idiots, we were ******, that we were the ones that wanted the catchweight."

      Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe said it was simply the "A-side" fighter getting the upside over the "B-side" fighter. Mayweather usually fights at 147 pounds.

      "We just took advantage of a situation. It's no different from basketball, football or baseball," he said. "You're always going to put your opposition at a disadvantage, if you can. You break 'em down and you go in for the kill.

      "The kid suggested a while ago that he would be willing to come down to fight Floyd at 150. So if he put it out there ... this is business at the end of the day, and we're going to hold his feet to the fire, and his manager the same way."

      Ellerbe said Mayweather was in the same situation in 2007 when he fought Oscar De La Hoya.

      "(Alvarez) is making the most money he ever made. But at the end of the day, he who is on the A side is the one that controls. That's what being the A side is, about having leverage.

      "Floyd has earned the right to do that."
      It is funny they talk about keeping to one’s word when Mayweather came in overweight vs Marquez, Canelo should have done the same. But like ellerbe says, a-side, they are allowed to do that and you can’t complain, supposedly, lol.

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      • Chuckguy
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        #53
        Originally posted by Roadblock
        Floyd was called out by JMM after 2yrs out, and weighed in at 146, JMM was 144 in his previous fight .

        Bad Floyd schooling Mannys huckleberry like that.
        Martinez called out Floyd for two years so why didn’t Floyd fight him? Lmfao you are going by fight night weights wow too funny that says it all

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        • Lopez_Boxing
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          #54
          Originally posted by SplitSecond
          Canelo offered 150 2 years before he got the fight.



          It is funny they talk about keeping to one’s word when Mayweather came in overweight vs Marquez, Canelo should have done the same. But like ellerbe says, a-side, they are allowed to do that and you can’t complain, supposedly, lol.
          ok right on for the source. I personally dont see the difference in the manny/oscar floyd/canelo scenarios. they all fought at the agreed upon weight. jmm/floyd was bs.

          but anyway, yeah I'm not saying its right. I for one truly feel a championship fight SHOULD NEVER be at a catch weighvs. and its funny that you mention the a side has the right to take control because I always found it hypocritical that floyd as all about "even playing field" it would pull rank to help him get the advantage when ever he could

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          • john l
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            #55
            Originally posted by pasawayako
            Floyd-JMM at CW 144

            Floyd made JMM go up 2 division and floyd cheated JMM at weigh in.

            Floyd-Canelo CW152lbs

            Both boxer are champion at 154lbs but floyd made canelo go down to 152lbs.
            Both Canelo and his trainer said weight loss no prob.He had come up from 147 not long before and even now both say weight was no issue.Floyd could have made him come to 150 and Canelo would have done it I think Floyd was just showing who was boss but it backfired and now people use that as excuse.Also Canelo was about 22 and stayed at 154 for years after so making 52 was no prob and they have said so.

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              #56
              Originally posted by john l
              Both Canelo and his trainer said weight loss no prob.He had come up from 147 not long before and even now both say weight was no issue.Floyd could have made him come to 150 and Canelo would have done it I think Floyd was just showing who was boss but it backfired and now people use that as excuse.Also Canelo was about 22 and stayed at 154 for years after so making 52 was no prob and they have said so.
              It's ok if floyd/canelo isn't a champion at that weight but they are both champions at 154lbs and they make the fight at 152lbs CW? That's a weird CW fight.

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              • pasawayako
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                #57
                Originally posted by Curtis Harper
                No one is forced to do a cw. If they do a cw, they can't cry about losing.......but they will

                And so will the losers fans
                100% agree with u.

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                • Roadblock
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Chuckguy
                  Martinez called out Floyd for two years so why didn’t Floyd fight him? Lmfao you are going by fight night weights wow too funny that says it all
                  Cant fight everyone, but Manny is the only one that calls guys out and runs when they say no CW.

                  Fight night weight is the most important weight fanboy, do you realize thats the weight they actually fight at, geez fans need to understand the game under the hood. They only know hype and what is spoon fed them .

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Chuckguy
                    Martinez called out Floyd for two years so why didn’t Floyd fight him? Lmfao you are going by fight night weights wow too funny that says it all
                    - -There was also a 165 rehydration limit on Canelo who had literally turned blue making 152.

                    GGG was willing to fight TUE at 154 or a catchwt above , a no-go in TUE world.

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                      #60
                      Floyd Marquez no contest

                      Shouldn’t have fought lil man to begin with

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