Comments Thread For: Oscar De La Hoya, Eddie Hearn Trade Words Over Canelo Alvarez

[kafkod]

I cant believe you don't know the answer to that.

Canelo beat ggg to get the WBC middleweight belt. That same WBC belt was elevated to a Franchise Belt which is no different than other organizations "Word Title". Its just a way for greedy organizations to make more money.

Plus Charlo was never going to get Canelo. Thank you Al Haymon

Nope, the WBC belt that was stolen from GGG and given to Canelo is now held by Jermall Charlo.

Canelo's WBC "franchise title" was created for him alone and cannot be contested by anybody else.

There has never been anything like this before in boxing history. The nearest thing to it was when the WBA created a new version of their "super title" and gave it to Felix Sturm, so he didn't have to fight his mando, Golovkin.

The difference is that the new WBA "super title" wasn't for Sturm alone. It is currently held by Canelo.

[Oldskoolg]

He has already bumped heads with every rival promoter and network. Hell you can't find a single person to say anything nice about this loud mouth and now even promoters also with DAZN are trashing him and sounding exactly like everyone else telling him to shut up about fighters not signed with him and other promoters business. When even Bob Arum tells the world DAZN should take away Hearn and just let Golden Boy promote these US cards that tells you just how bad Hearn is in the US. Arum hates Oscar and even said they at least know what they are doing Hearn is cluess about the US. The only reason anyone in the US has DAZN is because of Golden Boy and the WBSS that's just real talk Hearn UK fighters in trash fights don't move the needle for anyone here.

110% agreement. Even if I wanted to disagree with you logic wouldn’t allow it because truth is truth

[Oldskoolg]

Eddie probably didn't understand what a racist country America has become. Their is no nationalistic love for Hearn among British fans, that's just you viewing the world through your own racist goggles.

“Has become”? What are you? The most uneducated individual on earth? The USA has always been one of the most racist countries on earth? Are you really this thick? Did you miss the eradication of the natives? The ethnic wars with the Mexicans? The slavery of Africans? The internment of the Japanese? Jim Crow segregation? And the ongoing issues of the most multi-cultural society in the West? “What a racist country America has become”......I just can’t wrap my head around this statement.
Next up we will talk about when South Africa was a haven for equal rights under PW Botha....how the Khmer Rouge won the hearts and minds of the people........how great the Indians had it under Idi Amin......and then we’ll top it off with how Czech freedom of expression reigned under Bohemia and Moravia Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich

[Eff Pandas]

It's simple he couldn't secure the US fighters he promised DAZN he would sign. So he is forced to use all his UK and overseas fighters to fill out his US Matchroom cards. So instead of these guys fighting in the UK building their fanbase where they belong he's putting these fighters nobody cares about in the states in massive mismatches and then wondering why it don't move the needle?

This would make sense if he wasn't signing almost everyone to 3 fight deals. With the bankroll he allegedly gots he should keep x% freed up in case someone big comes calling, but if til they do come calling he should be signing up guys with any drawing ability regionally & putting fights on in those regions in the US to draw in max fans & get max attention. Hell man if you sign up the best 20 New York guys that are 100% free agent or their promotion would sign them away for 3 fights you'd probably see a nice bump in NY DAZN subs. I'd be doing that sh^t for LA & NYC for sure. I might be biased these days, but I'd also do Las Vegas too. Lotsa really good fighters hang down here who aren't affiliated with any strong promoter of note & DAZN would get exposed to more tourists from the US + other countries that may or may not currently have DAZN now. So just doing that would help impact DAZN's presense in 3 boxing friendly markets that have a lot of boxers people would come to see fight & the best among those guys could have some impact in drawing more fans, boxing & sports, to DAZN & specifically to Eddie his shows. Right now Eddie is on some sh^tshow tour of American that he regularly headlines or co-mains or features Matchroom UK fighters on that few if anyone in the US is gonna care about or even if they do they aren't going to be able to become much of a fan of that guy cuz they'll be back in the UK fighting next time.

It's one thing if you bringing these guys over for major fights or because they fighting top Americans. You bringing UK fighters to fight bums in showcase fights when Americans don't even care about these fighters lol

LOL yea I do agree Matchroom UK guys in feature fights is just dumb. If you are bringing Matchroom UK guys across the pond I have less of an issue with it if they are in a serious fight that could have some allure for US fans just cuz of the quality of the matchup. I'd argue there hasn't been a whole lot of that going on. For an example look at that Callum vs N'Dam fight. On first look that had some name appeal cuz N'Dam is a guy a lot of US hardcore fans probably have heard of, but the hardest of the hardcores knew that was a completely bs fight to be happening at 168.

This obviously wasn't the plan but since he couldn't sign top fighters on this side of the pond and doesn't have enough Americans he has no choice but to fill his cards and undercards worth Brits in trash fights. Which hurts those fighters from building their name with fans who actually care about them, hurts Sky and doesn't do shyt for DAZN. Of not for Golden Boy DAZN would be all the way phuked. They driving subscribers, they putting on competitive fights and actually know how to promote fights in US regions. Very interesting when that opt out clause comes up for DAZN. what point is it to keep Hearn around when he can't get fighters Americans care about and has no clue how to promote in US markets and you already have Golden Boy now. Just give Golden Boy that budget they already doing the heavy lifting or just bring in other US promoters. Last night was yet another dreadful Matchroom card that didn't have a single competitive fight in over 4Hrs of live boxing you would think by accident one of these mismatches would of been a decent fight.

I just think you do yourself better long term by having US guys fighting in the US. The reality is the US isn't a very boxing fan friendly place for non-US/non-Latino guys. There are few & far between success stories. So for that reason I think you just wanna keep it simple & put regionally strong names in fights with each other giving quality fights to hardcore fans in those regions the fights happen at. Then they win & you resign them or they show they aren't entertaining in L's & drop them. You can cycle quality guys with keeping into some stronger regional names & you can recycle the guys not shown to be quality to keep the budget freed up as much as possible in event a big names does come calling. And entertaining fights is gonna get & have the hardcore fans interest if they know the guys or not. I mean think about it as a DAZN version of ShoBox. You go to NYC & sign the 8 best prospects who aren't with anyone or you can slide away from their small time promoter for 3 fights & you got a 4 fight main card. Throw some lesser quality guys on the undercard. Throw the quality prospects unrelated to the region that are already signed longer term with DAZN on the bottom of the card for now. You got a card max boxing fans are gonna care about & it'll very likely get the venue some attention with the local fans that'll help build your brand next time you come & could get mfers eventually deciding to purchase DAZN for when fights are in regions that can't go to & watch live.

Thats a better f#cking plan than bringing that funny mustache dude & his Matchroom UK homies to the US every other US show in bumf#ck who cares, Montana.

[Eff Pandas]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...xing-1.3520548

What the f#ck?!?!?!

That brings up more questions then it answers lol. Weird sh^t man.

I've heard there are legit weird issues with Ireland fights before doe. I remember when McGregor was just getting to max hotness in the UFC they were talking about fighting at the big Irish spot then & for some f#cking reason they got a curfew at the mfing venue which makes it problematic for putting any UFC card on there. And it obviously never happened.

[Eff Pandas]

She’s half Irish and half English, her father is from England. There is a robust boxing scene in Northern Ireland, she could fight there just as Frampton and Fury have done.

Yea idk what that matters to what I said doe.

She's been fighting in the UK not Ireland regardless of her mom's & dad's countries of origin.

And she's not even fighting in the UK lately. She's had her last 4 fights in NY, Philly & Boston.

No one even gives much of a f#ck about female boxing in the US to begin with. I'm not sure people gave a f#ck about her fights in the UK, but those announcers & Eddie were raving about how crazy the fans were during her fights despite the relative silence I & most others were hearing. That sh^t was weird as a mfer.

[Randall Cunning]

This would make sense if he wasn't signing almost everyone to 3 fight deals. With the bankroll he allegedly gots he should keep x% freed up in case someone big comes calling, but if til they do come calling he should be signing up guys with any drawing ability regionally & putting fights on in those regions in the US to draw in max fans & get max attention. Hell man if you sign up the best 20 New York guys that are 100% free agent or their promotion would sign them away for 3 fights you'd probably see a nice bump in NY DAZN subs. I'd be doing that sh^t for LA & NYC for sure. I might be biased these days, but I'd also do Las Vegas too. Lotsa really good fighters hang down here who aren't affiliated with any strong promoter of note & DAZN would get exposed to more tourists from the US + other countries that may or may not currently have DAZN now. So just doing that would help impact DAZN's presense in 3 boxing friendly markets that have a lot of boxers people would come to see fight & the best among those guys could have some impact in drawing more fans, boxing & sports, to DAZN & specifically to Eddie his shows. Right now Eddie is on some sh^tshow tour of American that he regularly headlines or co-mains or features Matchroom UK fighters on that few if anyone in the US is gonna care about or even if they do they aren't going to be able to become much of a fan of that guy cuz they'll be back in the UK fighting next time.



LOL yea I do agree Matchroom UK guys in feature fights is just dumb. If you are bringing Matchroom UK guys across the pond I have less of an issue with it if they are in a serious fight that could have some allure for US fans just cuz of the quality of the matchup. I'd argue there hasn't been a whole lot of that going on. For an example look at that Callum vs N'Dam fight. On first look that had some name appeal cuz N'Dam is a guy a lot of US hardcore fans probably have heard of, but the hardest of the hardcores knew that was a completely bs fight to be happening at 168.



I just think you do yourself better long term by having US guys fighting in the US. The reality is the US isn't a very boxing fan friendly place for non-US/non-Latino guys. There are few & far between success stories. So for that reason I think you just wanna keep it simple & put regionally strong names in fights with each other giving quality fights to hardcore fans in those regions the fights happen at. Then they win & you resign them or they show they aren't entertaining in L's & drop them. You can cycle quality guys with keeping into some stronger regional names & you can recycle the guys not shown to be quality to keep the budget freed up as much as possible in event a big names does come calling. And entertaining fights is gonna get & have the hardcore fans interest if they know the guys or not. I mean think about it as a DAZN version of ShoBox. You go to NYC & sign the 8 best prospects who aren't with anyone or you can slide away from their small time promoter for 3 fights & you got a 4 fight main card. Throw some lesser quality guys on the undercard. Throw the quality prospects unrelated to the region that are already signed longer term with DAZN on the bottom of the card for now. You got a card max boxing fans are gonna care about & it'll very likely get the venue some attention with the local fans that'll help build your brand next time you come & could get mfers eventually deciding to purchase DAZN for when fights are in regions that can't go to & watch live.

Thats a better f#cking plan than bringing that funny mustache dude & his Matchroom UK homies to the US every other US show in bumf#ck who cares, Montana.

Its not really as bad as youre making out.

Joshua card was always going to be British as the crowd was vastly British
Johnson and Yafai fight in the US as all the action for their divisions is on the US side
TJ Doheny may sound British but hes based in Australia, and was only brought in so Roman could have a unification
Carroll was mandatory for Farmer, Tennyson was a voluntary but isn't a Matchroom fighter

I'll give you the Campbell and Quigg tune ups on a couple of cards, and a Kid Galahad fight. But that's only 3 unnescessary fights involving Matchroom fighters.

[Eff Pandas]

Its not really as bad as youre making out.

Its definitely not good as a US fan that I'm seeing. And there are some pretty basic ABC-simple-like ways of making it better as I see it.

Joshua card was always going to be British as the crowd was vastly British

I'm obviously not talking about 1 card. Eddie has done numerous cards now. I wouldn't be bringing this up if this was a one card thing & not about the overall trend I'm seeing.

I'll give you the Campbell and Quigg tune ups on a couple of cards, and a Kid Galahad fight. But that's only 3 unnescessary fights involving Matchroom fighters.

There's been a ton of them. So many bs ass UK guys are taking spots on US DAZN Matchroom cards for no real reason then Eddie can't do his job of acquiring US talent or doesn't even care to acquire US talent I don't even know for sure he's trying.

Basically he should run his US arm like he does his UK arm. You grow boxing ANYWHERE with grass roots sh^t & bringing froth some regular schedule & expected quality with that schedule.

[Califire209]

I knew the 2 would be butting heads soon,, this is what you want De La Hoya now that Canelo is with Dazn you have to stand next to Hearn every single fight for the next 3 years

[Califire209]

Nope, the WBC belt that was stolen from GGG and given to Canelo is now held by Jermall Charlo.

Canelo's WBC "franchise title" was created for him alone and cannot be contested by anybody else.

There has never been anything like this before in boxing history. The nearest thing to it was when the WBA created a new version of their "super title" and gave it to Felix Sturm, so he didn't have to fight his mando, Golovkin.

The difference is that the new WBA "super title" wasn't for Sturm alone. It is currently held by Canelo.

Yup,,, basically when you make enough money for the WBC they make you the franchise champ and give you special favors /privileges