Boxingscene’s Breadman challenged by Gabriel Montoya after shots fired at Canelo PEDS

[Shape up]

Let’s do Layman for you:

1.) Commission handles testing

2.) VADA or USADA handles testing

Now, did Vargas or Salido do VADA testing?

It’s either a yes or no and there’s only one answer...

If you say Yes, does the commission seek guidance for the agency that did testing?

This isn’t rocket science!

You seem to be confused.

Can you be more ******, vada tests and gives results to commission, commission then determines penalty, a child could understand, you said vada let him off which is incorrect ******

[Thuglife Nelo]

Can you be more ******, vada tests and gives results to commission, commission then determines penalty, a child could understand, you said vada let him off which is incorrect ******

You are perhaps the dumbest poster on this site. You honestly STILL believe VADA has no influence in informing the commission to green light a fight?! Especially when they're handling the testing!?

I'm going to FLEX this for your dumbass..wait, from a VADA video directly!

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[Shape up]

You are perhaps the dumbest poster on this site. You honestly STILL believe VADA has no influence in informing the commission to green light a fight?! Especially when they're handling the testing!?

I'm going to FLEX this for your dumbass..wait, from a VADA video directly!

TIMESTAMPED CLICK TO PLAY!

Get off the meth ******, show proof where Vada made the decision, read this paragraph

The California State Athletic Commission will allow World Boxing Council super-featherweight champion Francisco Vargas to keep his scheduled June 4 title defense at StubHub Center against veteran Orlando Salido despite Vargas' positive test for the banned substance

Where does that mention Vada moron, you really are just a clenelo knob jockey

[Thuglife Nelo]

Get off the meth ******, show proof where Vada made the decision, read this paragraph

The California State Athletic Commission will allow World Boxing Council super-featherweight champion Francisco Vargas to keep his scheduled June 4 title defense at StubHub Center against veteran Orlando Salido despite Vargas' positive test for the banned substance

Where does that mention Vada moron, you really are just a clenelo knob jockey

Lol. “Made the decision.”

How many times do I have to write that the commissions get consulting from the testing agency. How many times do I have to write “influence” in this funny ass thread?!

If you’re just juggling a debate to tell everyone that Andy Foster made the call well duh, he has to sanction the fight to proceed. You acting ****** when he’s on tape saying “it was such a low amount...and so far away..”. If his commission isn’t doing the testing then who is telling him it’s ok?

Are you really this naive?

[Shape up]

Lol. “Made the decision.”

How many times do I have to write that the commissions get consulting from the testing agency. How many times do I have to write “influence” in this funny ass thread?!

If you’re just juggling a debate to tell everyone that Andy Foster made the call well duh, he has to sanction the fight to proceed. You acting ****** when he’s on tape saying “it was such a low amount...and so far away..”. If his commission isn’t doing the testing then who is telling him it’s ok?

Are you really this naive?

The levels are part of the test ******, your statement was that VADA excused Vargas and let him fight, are you still saying that is correct, I said it was the commission that allowed the fight to go on, who made that final decision, 1 word answer, commission or VADA

[Thuglife Nelo]

The levels are part of the test ******, your statement was that VADA excused Vargas and let him fight, are you still saying that is correct, I said it was the commission that allowed the fight to go on, who made that final decision, 1 word answer, commission or VADA

Lol. Still spinning it.

You can illustrate your redundant “VADA didn’t push the red button” semantics all you want a 100 more times in this thread! Let’s see how many times you deny that VADA doesn’t have a guidance say in judging fights for adverse findings.

Stop and think for a second or two or three...if they proclaim to be the “experts,” since they don’t themselves test or analyze samples, then wtf is their role? Pens, paper, and clerical work?

Lol. Like I said, naive.

If you love Breadman just say it.. you ain’t gonna win this debate son

[TonyGe]

Clearly the two tests failed are a result of the same drug intake or (series of intakes)... can't quite figure why some people ain't getting that. Got the greatest respect for the Breadman but saying it's 2 failed tests - while technically accurate - gives a misleading impression.

There is an issue - or a peculiarity - around the half life thing though. The 3 days between the two tests should have led to a fourfold reduction in the urinary concentration (ie from 0.6-0.8ng/ml to 0.15-0.2ng/ml) based on the normal half life of Clenbuterol in humans of about 35 hours. In fact his 2nd test came back with a concentration of only around 1/10 of the first. Flushing is one possible cause of this accelerated elimination, though it does appear that the pharmacokinetics of many drugs are different in redheads than in other folk (on account of them having a different type of melanin) so there is that possibility too.

The implied half life of this tenfold reduction is about 22 hours... another upshot of that is that had Canelo been tested only a day earlier his Clenbuterol level would have been greater than the 1ng/ml below which food contamination is widely accepted as a possibility. Kinda implies that if he did eat contaminated meat he ate it within a day or so of the test. Unlucky, huh?

As for the VADA tests I did have a quote of one of the Reynosos saying (I think for the Chavez Jr fight but with the implication it was the norm) that they 'don't start testing until April'... again, by no means an indictment or proof of anything, but certainly not eliminating the possibility that they may have been working around the testing regime.

And... has anyone yet found any actual details of how often Canelo - or anyone else on VADA 365 - has been tested and when? A few people have said it's supposed to be more comprehensive or more frequent than regular CPB but non of them has actually backed it up with hard numbers... not that I'm doubting it in particular, but I just get curious about shit when people ain't providing evidence that you would have thought would be in their interests to supply.

I've tried several times to find the differences between the CBP and VADA 365. Could not find any data. Sanchez insisted that the VADA testing be started early prior to the rematch. . Also there was a cancelled test that Golovkin was to undergo after the fight. However when Loeffler asked that Canelo be tested also the test was cancelled.

[Citizen Koba]

I've tried several times to find the differences between the CBP and VADA 365. Could not find any data. Sanchez insisted that the VADA testing be started early prior to the rematch. . Also there was a cancelled test that Golovkin was to undergo after the fight. However when Loeffler asked that Canelo be tested also the test was cancelled.

Exactly my experience - I mean - I don't want to read to much into a lack of data, but it's odd that so many people seem convinced of the efficacy and reliablity of 365 when no-one seems to know for sure exactly what it involves and how it differs from CPB. Usually I'm pretty damn good at sniffing out data like that, but with this? Nothing.


I ain't saying it ain't better, but I also ain't one to just accept rumours and hearsay... just got that curiosity. If it was me I'd be wanting to advertise just how much better that ish was than regular testing... though perhaps they don't want to draw attention to the shambles of the CPB..*shrugs*.. who knows?

[eco1]

he is still riding hard, but money is there to be made, and lots of it, to close the shop.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I've tried several times to find the differences between the CBP and VADA 365. Could not find any data. Sanchez insisted that the VADA testing be started early prior to the rematch. . Also there was a cancelled test that Golovkin was to undergo after the fight. However when Loeffler asked that Canelo be tested also the test was cancelled.

Loeffler is an idiot. GGG Canelo 2 both had post fight test in their locker rooms.

Loeffler was clout chasing publicity for GGG because Canelo was to face Fielding with fast news circulating after their Sept fight.

Canelo’s 365 VADA testing was none of Loeffler’s business. If WBC-CBP wanted to test Gennady it had nothing to do with Canelo, nor did Loeffler have any right to demand it. What’s worse, it was random testing. Loeffler an idiot