Do you truly beileve at one point Pacquiao was juicing why or why not?

[R_Walken]

"Dramatic"


Does 7 loses and 2 draws sound dramatic?

He's had losses and draws moving up in weight divisions. You haters made it seem he was unstoppable. He just did it better. Skills pay the Bills. True champs bounced off their losses, learn their mistakes, and even made them better fighters.

Being 8 division champ and undefeated with no L in his record, that to me is questionable.

So because PAC has L he couldn’t have juiced ?

That’s a right ******ed statement to make.

Listen no one questions PAC isn’t a great fighter with or without the Juice. It’s just the Juice made him a better fighter who was able to tear through divisions without losing a step.
it’s almost unheard of in the sport.

Look at Ward when he went to 175 he took his time had to adjust his body to fighting bigger guys It took time before he could take on the best in the division and that’s how traditionally it’s been done. PAC just jumped up in weight his body didn’t need to get acclimated to a new weight he didn’t lose any speed / Power / output. Add to it
The refusal for strict Testing for a Mayweather fight would make it seem he was on something unless he’s a 1 in a billion type of fighter and able to do things no other fighter in the history of the sport have been able to do

They have weight classes for a reason. And this applies to every fighter there’s only so much they can grow naturally and still be at their peak against the best . I guess Pacs different though.

[Ray*]

you should questioned all of floyd's fights prior to floyd doing random testing which didnt start until the later half of his career.

by the way pac never refused random testing, he wanted a cut off and he explained his reasons as to why he wanted a cut off.

I questioned every boxer. I couldn’t care for Pacman reasons. He came off like he was hiding something and now he isn’t helping himself with this whole non VADA testing.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

So because PAC has L he couldn’t have juiced ?

That’s a right ******ed statement to make.

Listen no one questions PAC isn’t a great fighter with or without the Juice. It’s just the Juice made him a better fighter who was able to tear through divisions without losing a step.
it’s almost unheard of in the sport.

Look at Ward when he went to 175 he took his time had to adjust his body to fighting bigger guys It took time before he could take on the best in the division and that’s how traditionally it’s been done. PAC just jumped up in weight his body didn’t need to get acclimated to a new weight he didn’t lose any speed / Power / output. Add to it

I based my opinion on facts and what's on the record. Manny has never been tested positive. That's a fact. Pac fought opponents at catchweights. That's a fact.

And yet you would rather push conspiracies than actually see the circumstances upon how he climbed up and the incidents that his opponents encountered and the issues they dealt with.

I demistify a legend with facts. You hatin using tabloid papers.

[SplitSecond]

Lol at natural 130 lb’er. Draining to make weight isn’t natural, his natural weight is 144 or w/e he usually weighs in at 147. His best weightclass in boxing is likely 140lb’s. Although he could be on something, There’s nothing from pacquiao that makes me think hes on something. People act like he’s a bloated fighter(a fighter that has added too much mass and is slower as a result, think Mikey Garcia at 147). But pacquiao is obviously a big boned guy and the reason he climbed so much weight is because he turned pro so young and was also poor. The guy was well under minimumweight early in his career having to put weights in his pockets to make the weight and fought lethargically. Anyone that thinks juice gives you the co-ordination and kinetic intelligence of a true athlete is an idiot. Brandon rios on juice wont suddenly start to be able to stutter step and move like pacquiao. But it just goes to show how ***ed he was in those earlier years.

[GhostofDempsey]

I have shown you proof and you provide no answers.

Yet he has no answers as to how Floyd gained the same amount of weight in the same span of time. He also doesn't want to talk about Marquez' drastic transformation at the age of 39. These Pac haters are bad for boxing, because they see everything through the biased lens of their favorite fighter, they are gullible cheerleaders who subscribe to double-standards and hypocrisy.

[travestyny]

Lol at natural 130 lb’er. Draining to make weight isn’t natural, his natural weight is 144 or w/e he usually weighs in at 147. His best weightclass in boxing is likely 140lb’s. Although he could be on something, There’s nothing from pacquiao that makes me think hes on something. People act like he’s a bloated fighter(a fighter that has added too much mass and is slower as a result, think Mikey Garcia at 147). But pacquiao is obviously a big boned guy and the reason he climbed so much weight is because he turned pro so young and was also poor. The guy was well under minimumweight early in his career having to put weights in his pockets to make the weight and fought lethargically. Anyone that thinks juice gives you the co-ordination and kinetic intelligence of a true athlete is an idiot. Brandon rios on juice wont suddenly start to be able to stutter step and move like pacquiao. But it just goes to show how ***ed he was in those earlier years.

I think you are right about his weight. He's not as small as people think. He rehydrates around 150 - 152 at welter, I believe. He's not a big guy but his legs are massive.

[Grimgash]

lol at people who think they can tell by pics if someone uses PEDs

If we never had a positive result and I told you this guy did PEDs, nobody would ever believe it:




You guys know that PEDs are not just for bodybuilding right? And they dont have to be used for weight gain. They are used for recovery in training so you can train harder, they are used to maintain performance past 30, they are used for increased cardio endurance.


Again, If I showed you this guys pic and you didnt know he was a famous elite level athlete, and told you he used PEDs you would laugh me out of the room.




But everyone still thinks PED users have to look like Arnold. PED use by elite athletes is sports specific, the regimen is tailored for that specific sport and tailored to beat the specific testing used in that sport. We already know this from the Balco bust but people still think of PEDs with this 1990s mentality.

This is probably the best post of the thread. As for topic I feel he was but I feel most top guys in sports are, they're just not caught it's super easy to beat... so i don't fault him.

My biggest issue with PEDs and beating testing is crushing the dreams of younger kids growing up in any sport or fitness in general. "Hard work, just grind, and you can do it too!" from athletes knowing damn well they're enhanced can make solid kids quit early thinking its not for them. Legalize it in sports over a certain age because that's the biggest issue, and just let people go nuts. Most athletes aren't taking power steroids which is what confuses the "no one does it crowd" ... they're taking clen, epo, and the like for endurance or weight management... you'd be pretty safe to assume most boxers or athletes aren't taking something like tren or deca to get "strong".

[Spoon23]

Pacquiao fight night weight against Mosley: 148
His fight night weight before he moved up was around 140, and years before that 136.

So stop making up lies. He didn't gain "40" pounds in a few years or 17 pounds like you say in one year.

When he fought Hatton at 140 he also weighed 148 on fight night.

Didn't know that Mosely was 16 lbs heavier against Pac, and Pac still smoked him. Amazing!

[Spoon23]

I have shown you proof and you provide no answers.

You just quashed Rexy's argument. You just KO'd him.

ACE!

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Didn't know that Mosely was 16 lbs heavier against Pac, and Pac still smoked him. Amazing!

Yeah and he ran faster too! Amazing isn't it?

Wheras he pretty much just stood there with Floyd and Margarito and traded with them.

I would've wanted Sugar to at least stood his ground and trade.