Do you truly beileve at one point Pacquiao was juicing why or why not?

[_Rexy_]

Forty pounds?

The guy is a natural 130-135 lber. So 17 lbs increase is the most you can only use as the basis for your accusation. Don't use the "because he started at flyweight" crap because you and I know (if we're not playing dumb) that he didn't belong at those lower weight classes.

Natural 130 my ass. Post a pic of him in those lower weight classes and post a pic of him now. He’s the lightweight Evan Fields.

[Dosumpthin]

My own opinion is no, he wasn't. Of course anything is possible. No one was accusing him of doping until Floyd needed an excuse to duck him. He started this speculation, then insisted on blood testing while claiming he wanted to clean up boxing. He never asked for this from Mosley or any other opponent during his career. Only Pacquiao to that point. In hindsight, we know that Floyd had a suspect relationship with USADA, so what better way to cover your own PED use then by claiming you want drug testing while dealing from the bottom of the deck and having USADA as your ace up your sleeve.

Manny had never failed a drug test. All the accusations of drug use stemmed from two observations; (1) his weight gain across multiple divisions within 15 years and (2) his KO ratio. Now, here's the thing--Mayweather gained the same amount of weight as Pac did over the same period of 15 years. Floyd fought at around 108 in the amateurs and moved up in weight in the same increments and time frame as Manny. Now, check Floyd's KO ratio from 140 lbs and up--he actually had more stoppage wins than Manny! Yet, no one was calling out Floyd as a drug cheat, at least not until he was exposed using an illegal IV for the Pac fight.

Why lie?

Floyd made it mandatory for all of his fights after Pacquiaos refusal.

Mosley agreed to the random blood test and took Pacquiaos place in the ring.

Did you forget or something..... or does your version make you feel better?

[_Maxi]

Pacquiao fight night weight against Mosley: 148
His fight night weight before he moved up was around 140, and years before that 136.

So stop making up lies. He didn't gain "40" pounds in a few years or 17 pounds like you say in one year.

When he fought Hatton at 140 he also weighed 148 on fight night.

[_Maxi]

Natural 130 my ass. Post a pic of him in those lower weight classes and post a pic of him now. He’s the lightweight Evan Fields.

I have shown you proof and you provide no answers.

[elfag]

I think

Pacquaio
JMM
Floyd

all used steroids. I like all 3 of them as fighters.

You're naive if you think elite athletes in all sports are not on PEDS. Youre also naive if you think the increased longevity in fighter's careers is just better vitamins or protein shakes.

All these guys looking great today in late 30s early 40s is from better and consistent use of PEDS throughout their 30s. This change is pretty recent, its the last generation of fighters, sometime around mid 2000s this started happening.

Look at the fighters from the 80s and 90s, they were almost all shot after 35 years old. And those fighters were on PEDs too, there was basically no testing at all. Its just that the PEDS and the science behind it got better. 80s and 90s they were just on basic test boosting cycles. Now they got chit for endurance like EPO and all that.

[Ca$ual Fan]

Natural 130 my ass. Post a pic of him in those lower weight classes and post a pic of him now. He’s the lightweight Evan Fields.

Save this one. I’ll post later on. I’m in my work right now. Can’t spend too much time in this forum

[elfag]

lol at people who think they can tell by pics if someone uses PEDs

If we never had a positive result and I told you this guy did PEDs, nobody would ever believe it:




You guys know that PEDs are not just for bodybuilding right? And they dont have to be used for weight gain. They are used for recovery in training so you can train harder, they are used to maintain performance past 30, they are used for increased cardio endurance.


Again, If I showed you this guys pic and you didnt know he was a famous elite level athlete, and told you he used PEDs you would laugh me out of the room.




But everyone still thinks PED users have to look like Arnold. PED use by elite athletes is sports specific, the regimen is tailored for that specific sport and tailored to beat the specific testing used in that sport. We already know this from the Balco bust but people still think of PEDs with this 1990s mentality.

[IceTrayDaGang]

yes, i believe floyd is on peds and still is.

[Ray*]

I don’t know why but I never believed he ever juiced. I was more uncomfortable with the controversy of not wanting random testing. I was uncomfortable at that time, just like am uncomfortable with his fight against Keaf not having VADA testing even though both fighters are ranked and hold titles with the WBA. As a senator and a hall of famer you would expect him to assert his A-side privilege and make sure they are both tested for this fight. Things like this make you want to question him.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I don’t know why but I never believed he ever juiced. I was more uncomfortable with the controversy of not wanting random testing. I was uncomfortable at that time, just like am uncomfortable with his fight against Keaf not having VADA testing even though both fighters are ranked and hold titles with the WBA. As a senator and a hall of famer you would expect him to assert his A-side privilege and make sure they are both tested for this fight. Things like this make you want to question him.

you should questioned all of floyd's fights prior to floyd doing random testing which didnt start until the later half of his career.

by the way pac never refused random testing, he wanted a cut off and he explained his reasons as to why he wanted a cut off.