Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: Thurman Reminds Me of The Miguel Cotto Fight

[richardt]

EXACTLY! no one can tell me Pacquiao wasn't juiced to the Gills when he fought Cotto.

And no one can tell you Cotto or any other fighter on the planet wasnt then.

[SuperSuperLeeds]

I always felt that the 145 lb catchweight killed Cotto more than anything else but Pac did walk through everything that night!

How would peds improve your punch resistance? Fill me with peds GGG would still knock me out..Yeah you may have a bit more mental grit and focus and physical strength but your brain shaking and knocking you down is a physical reaction that I don't think peds can help much. If peds could improve your chin I'm sure khan would take them. I'm sure Kirkland wouldnt have such a glass chin etc u telling me if Khan and Kirkland are full of drugs the canelo fights would have gone any longer because they would be able to "walk through" punches. I think you guys are full of **** sometimes imho. Just give credit where its due, manny has a decent chin simple as, very few.knockdowns for the level he's consistently fought at
**** broner knocked down porter but didn't knock down pacman

[chardrnm]

cotto never really landed anything hard on pac without manny seeing it coming. yeah he busted pac's ear, etc. BUT all that was manny telling cotto to do so. manny was inviting cotto to come in so that manny can counter off of it. this is why he "walk" thru those shots. i swear, sometimes it feels like im talking to casuals on here!

You are right all just speculations about PEDS without analyzing the fight they are full of hate here. If Pac wins again they will say he is using something again they don't know skills pays the bill...

[KillaMane26]

That was the last time he was on the juice.

Lmao i was waiting on it

[alejandro01]

Thurman needs juice to pull a Marquez

[Letmaku]

Both fighters are clean until proven otherwise. No Heroidia Jones that walked away from the biggest pay day of his life and no 750ml of IV allowed to be TBE.

[Bronx2245]

Cotto's pride prevented Pac rematch
ESPN
Dan Rafael
October 5, 2012

Feeling disrespected, Cotto refused to take a deal that wasn't to his liking and rejected Arum's offer. Instead, he decided to work again with Golden Boy, which put on the Mayweather fight, and accepted a fight with junior middleweight titlist Austin Trout for far less money...

Why would Cotto pick Trout (25-0, 14 KOs), a good fighter with a belt but a virtual unknown, over Pacquiao, the global star? What gives?

Money and weight is what gives.

For the 2009 fight, Cotto's deal with Top Rank called for a guaranteed $6.5 million purse, plus a share of the pay-per-view profits. During the Sergio Martinez-Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. promotion last month, Arum told boxing reporters that he offered Cotto $13 million for the Pacquiao rematch and estimated that with strong pay-per-view sales Cotto could earn another $2 million from his share of the profits.

Arum said that when Cotto turned it down, he and Pacquiao went with Marquez for Pacquiao's next fight, just one week after Cotto's.

Cotto vigorously disputed Arum's claim.

"The only offer Top Rank ever made us was the same money as in 2009," Cotto told ESPN.com. "[Arum] made the same offer he made in 2009, and we found it kind of funny. That was the reason we decided not to face Pacquiao. That, and they also wanted me to go down to 150 pounds and give him the same advantage that they gave Pacquiao in 2009, a catchweight."

Cotto said he was surprised to read that Arum said he offered him $13 million.

"Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction.

"Miguel Cotto always agrees to fight the best. I've never said no to anybody, but you need to treat me fairly in business."

Even if the money could have been worked out, Cotto said the weight was a major issue.

For the 2009 bout he had agreed to go down to 145 pounds, two less than the welterweight limit, and said it took its toll. If he had taken the rematch at 150, it would mean dropping 4 pounds below the junior middleweight limit, which is where Cotto has fought his four bouts since his loss to Pacquiao.

"If he wants a big name and wants to fight the best, no catchweight," Cotto said of Pacquiao. "Making catchweights is easy for them. They make the other guy have trouble making weight and they take advantage of that. I wasn't going to do that again. I am 154 pounds. I am not going to fight at a catchweight and make myself weak."

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...rematch-boxing

[Terrell1555]

I think the media and many fans are grossly underestimating Thurman! Jeep Horn gave Pac hell, and Thurman is a much better fighter than Horn. It’s almost like if Thurman wins it will be an upset. But if Thurman wins sad thing is all of you are going to change your tune and not give him credit. The worse of you will say it’s only because Pac is old! But truthfully if you know the sport well Thurman is a good stylistic matchup for Pac and would be competitive against any version of Manny stylistically. Pac doesn’t do well against Boxers with good technical skills who particularly have good foot-speed, and pop in the punches! This is a good matchup I just don’t want to here excuses from either side afterwards.

[joseph5620]

i dont think he was comparing styles but instead comparing the situation he's in right now leading up to the thurman fight, being the underdog, most is picking thurman to win, etc. it's similar to when he face cotto.

Pacquiao wasn't the underdog against Cotto. He was a 3-1 favorite and most picked him to win. It was nothing like this fight.

Most of the boxing people that I have seen have picked Pacquiao for this fight.

[Jab jab boom]

Very similar, pac wasn't drug tested back then neither.