Is Spence-Porter really a PPV fight?

[Boxing_1013]

Not really but I will pay for it. I just wish they would make all these PPV $40.00. that's a fair price

My big issue as well...would love some $20 ppvs

You can't look at it from a P&L perspective, that's not where boxing is. It doesn't really matter if this event makes money at all.

PBC has a 60 million dollar+ yearly budget from Fox. If they put on a PPV like Spence-Porter and it, say, ends up losing 1-2 million dollars when all the dust has settled, what is the real outcome?

-The fighters got massive paydays
-Haymon got his cut from both fighters
-PBC delivered a title fight with two (semi)marquee names to Fox, which is exactly what they're paying PBC to do, for only a couple million bucks out of their 60mil budget.

So who loses here?

Well, no one. If PBC was using a big chunk of their yearly budget to put on a fight the fans are at best lukewarm about, then you could say the fans and Fox are on the losing end. But by putting it on PPV, its more-or-less asking people that really want to see Spence-Porter to shoulder the burden of the purses via PPV, and not affect quality the rest of the years output (in theory). If the PPV is an absolute disaster, then maybe they would want to rethink this kind of matchup going forward, but to me it makes sense.

And further, if you look at it from PPV averages alone, Pac-Borner and Spence-Garcia did really well, and the upcoming Pac-Thurman and Garcia-Garcia are expected to do well too. They can afford to "push it" with this one.

I'm no Haymon fanboy, but this model seems to be working pretty well for PBC so far, although I cant speak whether Fox is satisfied.

Got ya, good insights man...I admit I am not as educated on what PBC has/is doing there with those networks and budgets...so good information there, thanks.

A couple million dollar loss may not be bad as long as the long-term stuff works out, as you suggest.

At $70 bucks, I think 100k PPV is where it may come in, without any inflated stuff coming in. That's $7 million...I don't know what the breakeven is but it has to be more than that.

Oh well I guess we will just have to see how it all plays out. I don't have Showtime so couldn't watch it on there...but was hoping to catch it on Fox...doubt I will be paying for this one

[Worick]

You have a source for Spence earning $10M against Mikey?



Trolling hard I see. Sold 300K "on his own" against an "unknown" in Garcia? GTFOOH with that fan boy nonsense.

This fight SHOULD be a PPV worthy event, but my money says it will be a break even fight in PPV sales. It's a risk for Spence because if it flops, he loses leverage against Crawford.

I was being sarcastic. Spencer is just plain ducking Crawford

[alexnation]

lol what are you guys on? Spence didn't draw shyt. Garcia filled the stadium with Mexicans

[hectari]

Its a good fight, title unification bout. Its ppv worthy, but neither guy are household names just yet, spence is no longer going to fight on non ppv though, he tasted that money and wont go back

[The Big Dunn]

IMO no it shouldn't be on PPV it should be on Fox.

[Boxing_1013]

lol what are you guys on? Spence didn't draw shyt. Garcia filled the stadium with Mexicans

My sentiments too...but some disagree...

[paulf]

At $70 bucks, I think 100k PPV is where it may come in, without any inflated stuff coming in. That's $7 million...I don't know what the breakeven is but it has to be more than that.

Oh well I guess we will just have to see how it all plays out. I don't have Showtime so couldn't watch it on there...but was hoping to catch it on Fox...doubt I will be paying for this one

I think it could go as high as 125-150, depending on the amount of promotion it gets. It got pushed to the fall, so they can run commercials during Fox's NFL games.

Personally, that matchup doesn't do anything for me. I'll probably end up just watching the highlights on Facebook.

[The Big Dunn]

My sentiments too...but some disagree...

I don't disagree, I just don't know how we know it was Mikey that sold all the PPV's. Is there some kind of report posters have seen or are posters using the "Mikey is Mexican and Mexicans love boxing so Mikey drove the PPV sales" metric.

I think we can agree that is somewhat faulty metric.

[Boxing_1013]

I don't disagree, I just don't know how we know it was Mikey that sold all the PPV's. Is there some kind of report posters have seen or are posters using the "Mikey is Mexican and Mexicans love boxing so Mikey drove the PPV sales" metric.

I think we can agree that is somewhat faulty metric.

I don't disagree with you either my friend...someone else had a good point before that Mikey and Spence got similar numbers before that fight...and that it was also Mikey's first PPV fight. So no real evidence that I've seen to indicate it was all/mainly Mikey.

My personal opinion is that Mikey was really driving the sales...but I can't say that for certain...will be interested to see how well this one does if it is on PPV.

As another guy mentioned, if it doesn't really sell (maybe similar to Crawford-Khan) it does take away some of Errol's negotiating power...I guess seeing what Garcia-Garcia does on PPV will be a good barometer as well.

[Eff Pandas]

There could be some of that, but there is an argument that DAZN is trying to replace HBO's vacancy & PBC is trying to replace the PPV vacancy with Canelo gone.

I mean idk if that was either side's goal cuz HBO getting out of boxing was just rumor & speculation for years so why would anyone think it would more or less be timed with DAZN entering the game & lead to the situation we are in now, but that seems to be how it went down. If HBO was still in business I think DAZN is having an even harder time making a play in boxing & might even be going down other sport roads harder than they've gotten into boxing & obviously if HBO is still around & doing 2 to 4 PPV's a year its unlikely PBC is doing as many PPV's as they are currently doing.

So idk if its much beyond opportunity with what people are doing right now. And if you can make bigger plays & make bigger money you gotta take it if you wanna be this next era's HBO cuz someone is gonna eventually become the new HBO & be the go to spot for boxing. All this boxing thats on right now with all these high level players ins't gonna last forever so enjoy it & quit b^tching about it so much.