Is Spence-Porter really a PPV fight?

[Boxing_1013]

Not asking if it is, but if it should be.

I feel like the non-DAZN boxing companies are feeling the heat from DAZN and starting to go PPV more now...which maybe helps those fighters make more? But definitely sucks to have to basically pay for any decent fight that you'd actually want to watch.

Not shilling for DAZN by the way - I like some parts of their company but they have issues too - their stream sucks on my end, for example. I have to watch the Spanish language version for it not to lag, and I don't speak Spanish.

[KTFOKING]

On face value? No, but Spence isn't taking a big pay cut from the 10M or so he made vs Garcia and isn't going to settle for a non-PPV fight after doing 360k buys vs Garcia. Rightfully or not, he feels like he is a PPV fighter from this point on.

GGG was the same way from the Lemieux fight on until he signed with DAZN. Only fight after that one that wasn't PPV was Vanes, and that was because it was a late replacement and you just couldn't put that on PPV.

[Worick]

Of course it is. Spence draws in 5million viewers on regular fox and just sold over 300k ppv on his own against an unknown mickey garcia

[champion4ever]

This fight is prelude to the Crawford vs Spence fight on PPV.

[paulf]

Not Pay-per-view quality per se, but I think they have to do PPV to cover the purse demands of Spence and Porter to get it done.

[Boxing_1013]

Not Pay-per-view quality per se, but I think they have to do PPV to cover the purse demands of Spence and Porter to get it done.

Will they be able to sell enough to cover it though? I just don't get it...don't see how it does over 100k these days on PPV...maybe I'm wrong

[Boxing_1013]

On face value? No, but Spence isn't taking a big pay cut from the 10M or so he made vs Garcia and isn't going to settle for a non-PPV fight after doing 360k buys vs Garcia. Rightfully or not, he feels like he is a PPV fighter from this point on.

GGG was the same way from the Lemieux fight on until he signed with DAZN. Only fight after that one that wasn't PPV was Vanes, and that was because it was a late replacement and you just couldn't put that on PPV.

I hear ya man...good post...GGG did have a Wade in there as well, and with Brook being in the UK, I don't really remember what type of format that was for us in the US...but I see your point.

Also idk exactly what GGG made for Brook/Jacobs and Lemieux...but I know his purse was fairly low (well under 5 million for Jacobs and Lemieux, 5 million for Brook) and I doubt he made much over 5 million for any of those fights.

I could see GGG-Jacobs/Lemieux as being similar to Spence-Porter so I see your point there...if Spence-Porter does over 150k PPVs I will say it wasn't a bad decision...especially if Spence is only expecting to make around $5 million here.

I just am of the opinion that Spence-Mikey was largely driven by Mikey...and as highly as I rate Spence, if I had to answer honestly if I feel he is as big of a draw as GGG was a few years ago (or even now) I would have to say no. So I am a little worried about an embarrassing PPV number here.

I agree though that if Spence can sell similar to GGG he should be fine, as long as he is only wanting about $5 million for this type of fight...maybe he is on a GGG level as far as drawing power I just feel like he is a level or so below...and GGG was barely PPV level against a Porter/Jacobs/Lemieux opponent.

Of course it is. Spence draws in 5million viewers on regular fox and just sold over 300k ppv on his own against an unknown mickey garcia

Lol...funny

This fight is prelude to the Crawford vs Spence fight on PPV.

Good point...some hype I guess...but maybe putting it on regular TV would be a better prelude and would attract a bigger audience for Spence-Crawford?

As of now I don't see Crawford-Spence doing any better than Kov-Ward which sucks...that is a great fight and should do 1 million buys. But will do like 300k imo.

[qwickm3]

Not really but I will pay for it. I just wish they would make all these PPV $40.00. that's a fair price

[paulf]

Will they be able to sell enough to cover it though? I just don't get it...don't see how it does over 100k these days on PPV...maybe I'm wrong

You can't look at it from a P&L perspective, that's not where boxing is. It doesn't really matter if this event makes money at all.

PBC has a 60 million dollar+ yearly budget from Fox. If they put on a PPV like Spence-Porter and it, say, ends up losing 1-2 million dollars when all the dust has settled, what is the real outcome?

-The fighters got massive paydays
-Haymon got his cut from both fighters
-PBC delivered a title fight with two (semi)marquee names to Fox, which is exactly what they're paying PBC to do, for only a couple million bucks out of their 60mil budget.

So who loses here?

Well, no one. If PBC was using a big chunk of their yearly budget to put on a fight the fans are at best lukewarm about, then you could say the fans and Fox are on the losing end. But by putting it on PPV, its more-or-less asking people that really want to see Spence-Porter to shoulder the burden of the purses via PPV, and not affect quality the rest of the years output (in theory). If the PPV is an absolute disaster, then maybe they would want to rethink this kind of matchup going forward, but to me it makes sense.

And further, if you look at it from PPV averages alone, Pac-Borner and Spence-Garcia did really well, and the upcoming Pac-Thurman and Garcia-Garcia are expected to do well too. They can afford to "push it" with this one.

I'm no Haymon fanboy, but this model seems to be working pretty well for PBC so far, although I cant speak whether Fox is satisfied.

[GhostofDempsey]

On face value? No, but Spence isn't taking a big pay cut from the 10M or so he made vs Garcia and isn't going to settle for a non-PPV fight after doing 360k buys vs Garcia. Rightfully or not, he feels like he is a PPV fighter from this point on.

GGG was the same way from the Lemieux fight on until he signed with DAZN. Only fight after that one that wasn't PPV was Vanes, and that was because it was a late replacement and you just couldn't put that on PPV.

You have a source for Spence earning $10M against Mikey?

Of course it is. Spence draws in 5million viewers on regular fox and just sold over 300k ppv on his own against an unknown mickey garcia

Trolling hard I see. Sold 300K "on his own" against an "unknown" in Garcia? GTFOOH with that fan boy nonsense.

This fight SHOULD be a PPV worthy event, but my money says it will be a break even fight in PPV sales. It's a risk for Spence because if it flops, he loses leverage against Crawford.