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  • #21
    Originally posted by apollocreed View Post
    Exactly. But that list means he'll have to become essentially a different fighter by November/December. That can't happen in five months.
    If Ruiz is as good as he was first time around, he beats any version of Joshua.
    That's not how it works, it's more nuanced than that. If Joshua can improve 10/15% in those areas that might be enough to make the odds swing in his favour.

    He doesn't need to become a different fighter.

    Lets face it, Andy Ruiz can **** but until now he hasn't set the world on fire.

    All that said, AR has far more upside than AJ. If he could improve his conditioning and shed some fat then he'd likely improve his foot speed which would be huge.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by SteveM View Post
      That's not how it works, it's more nuanced than that. If Joshua can improve 10/15% in those areas that might be enough to make the odds swing in his favour.

      He doesn't need to become a different fighter.

      Lets face it, Andy Ruiz can **** but until now he hasn't set the world on fire.

      All that said, AR has far more upside than AJ. If he could improve his conditioning and shed some fat then he'd likely improve his foot speed which would be huge.

      A weak chin will always haunt a fighter. Former contender Carl " the truth" Williams had it all except a chin. Some point to a guy like Klitschko. He was stopped twice but his chin withstood many good shots throughout his career. A.J not only has a weak chin but his stamina is always weirdly suspect. Is it nerves, anxiety? Who knows. This rematch will test his mettle.

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      • #23
        While Andy Ruiz clearly outboxed and outfought Anthony Joshua, I would not sell Joshua short at this time. He got caught with a big punch above the ear. That type of punch will disorient anyone. It would not surprise me if Joshua learns to use his reach to keep Ruiz at bay in the second fight. That technique was used to perfection by George Foreman, particularly in the Frazier fight.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by SteveM View Post
          That's not how it works, it's more nuanced than that. If Joshua can improve 10/15% in those areas that might be enough to make the odds swing in his favour.

          He doesn't need to become a different fighter.

          Lets face it, Andy Ruiz can **** but until now he hasn't set the world on fire.

          All that said, AR has far more upside than AJ. If he could improve his conditioning and shed some fat then he'd likely improve his foot speed which would be huge.
          Some fighters benefit from having blubber, just like some animals benefit from having plenty of blubber. A Walrus benefits from having a massive amount of weight and blubber.

          Ruiz Junior seemed to have decent speed, was stead and strong on his his feet also. I just sense if he was to come in at 230 for the next fight, he would feel weak and just be bulldozed by Joshua.

          Tyson Fury, Derek Chisora, Andy Ruiz Junior all these guys kind of benefit from not being lean 'Probably due to their body types and genetics' It is as if their bodies can't cope with being lean, they will probably end up getting sick.

          Chisora looked empty inside during his rematch with Dillian Whyte. I expect Ruiz Junior to come in at 250+ pounds for the rematch, anything lower than that and I will be surprised.

          He is like a Sea lion Andy Ruiz Junior, in condition and carries his blubber well. He obviously trained hard for Joshua, and his aerobic/lactic conditioning is quite good.
          Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 06-22-2019, 01:50 PM.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by SteveM View Post
            That's not how it works, it's more nuanced than that. If Joshua can improve 10/15% in those areas that might be enough to make the odds swing in his favour.

            He doesn't need to become a different fighter.

            Lets face it, Andy Ruiz can **** but until now he hasn't set the world on fire.

            All that said, AR has far more upside than AJ. If he could improve his conditioning and shed some fat then he'd likely improve his foot speed which would be huge.
            Improving by 10/15% in 4 or 5 areas is still becoming a different fighter in 5 moths.
            I stand by my assessment. Joshua won't change that much before then. 10-15% is also pretty generous to him.
            In my opinion he would need to become A LOT better at boxing - Ruiz was countering him at will. Almost every time Joshua threw a jab, Ruiz dropped a shoulder and countered back immediately in a three punch combo.
            There are also big question marks over Joshua's punch resistance - and that's something that can't be improved by 10 - 15%. Ever.

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            • #26
              Aj doesnt have a gas tank

              Ruiz should just wait it out . Straight right to body at times for first 6 then increase the frequency of his attacks and stop aj

              Ruiz's advantage is he has faster feet. He can take advantage of this when he closes the distance

              Handspeed imo is similar

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              • #27
                Joshua made the mistake of underestimating a seemingly inferior opponent...in boxing and war (and life), you have to stay hungry then prepare for the enemy physically & mentally like they are the most powerful force you've ever seen.

                Ruiz may be underestimating Joshua...if so, I think that's a mistake.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Baba K View Post
                  Joshua made the mistake of underestimating a seemingly inferior opponent...in boxing and war (and life), you have to stay hungry then prepare for the enemy physically & mentally like they are the most powerful force you've ever seen.

                  Ruiz may be underestimating Joshua...if so, I think that's a mistake.
                  That’s my thoughts also. AJ underestimated him before the fight and then during. Now he has a full camp dedicated just for him instead of a few weeks plus he had a lot of ring rust while Ruiz just came off an easy fight and plenty of training.

                  I’m on record saying AJ wins the rematch.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
                    Some fighters benefit from having blubber, just like some animals benefit from having plenty of blubber. A Walrus benefits from having a massive amount of weight and blubber.

                    Ruiz Junior seemed to have decent speed, was stead and strong on his his feet also. I just sense if he was to come in at 230 for the next fight, he would feel weak and just be bulldozed by Joshua.

                    Tyson Fury, Derek Chisora, Andy Ruiz Junior all these guys kind of benefit from not being lean 'Probably due to their body types and genetics' It is as if their bodies can't cope with being lean, they will probably end up getting sick.

                    Chisora looked empty inside during his rematch with Dillian Whyte. I expect Ruiz Junior to come in at 250+ pounds for the rematch, anything lower than that and I will be surprised.

                    He is like a Sea lion Andy Ruiz Junior, in condition and carries his blubber well. He obviously trained hard for Joshua, and his aerobic/lactic conditioning is quite good.
                    Yeah I agree. Only for heavyweights, because of the natural size, strength and power disadvantages fat fighters have at other weights because of the weight classes above.
                    But with heavyweight, above around that 220lb mark, being fat isn't a big disadvantage. They can all punch at that weight, and being fat doesn't necessarily make someone slower, certainly not handspeed wise.

                    I don't think it would benefit Ruiz to lose a lot of weight. A much lighter version would just be dwarfed by Joshua. He may gain in the foot speed department, but I don't even think he's that slow on his feet for the heavyweight's of today. Only Fury of the current top guys has great feet.
                    Joshua has always had slow, plodding feet anyway, so for this particular fight, Ruiz's feet are fast enough as they are.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Brettcappe View Post
                      A weak chin will always haunt a fighter. Former contender Carl " the truth" Williams had it all except a chin. Some point to a guy like Klitschko. He was stopped twice but his chin withstood many good shots throughout his career. A.J not only has a weak chin but his stamina is always weirdly suspect. Is it nerves, anxiety? Who knows. This rematch will test his mettle.
                      Stewerd was a master at hiding big guys suspect chins. Lewis had a soft chin also.

                      AJ just needs to fight tall on the outside and wrap up when he can then drop all his weight until ref. Breaks them up rinse and repeat. After a few rounds carrying AJ big body and weight Ruiz will be tired.

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