Who is the greatest of all time? Larry Holmes Lennox Lewis Vitali or Tyson Fury?

[bender2000]

[QUOTE=baroidi;19847193]ESPN's overhyping of Fury beating a no hoper has made some fans lose their minds lol The big oaf Fury would give some problems to ATGs because of his size and awkwardness, but he does not even deserve to be mentioned alongside ATGs.[/QUO

thats how i feel exactly hes done nothing yet to place him an atg

[MastaBlasta]

[QUOTE=Boxing Goat;19849436]Lol Ali didn't go to prison fool

You don't even know your Ali history ?

Name-calling results in loss of teeth where I'm from. The statement "in the Pen" wasn't literal ... he was sentenced but out on bond during the appeals. But he was NOT free to box, defend his title, etc. For people (like me) who live their craft, that is ESSENTIALLY being in the pen.

I'm pretty sure you understood that, and just wise-cracked.

You might have got a 1/2 point for nitpicking a detail, but you lose 10 points with your insulting name-calling, and your front teeth one day.

[Boxing Goat]

Name-calling results in loss of teeth where I'm from. The statement "in the Pen" wasn't literal ... he was sentenced but out on bond during the appeals. But he was NOT free to box, defend his title, etc. For people (like me) who live their craft, that is ESSENTIALLY being in the pen.

I'm pretty sure you understood that, and just wise-cracked.

You might have got a 1/2 point for nitpicking a detail, but you lose 10 points with your insulting name-calling, and your front teeth one day.

You must be from a sh@t hole. That's nothing to be proud of.

Lol nice try to cover up your lack of Ali knowledge you absolute fkn dimwit. You thought he went to the pen because ydksab. Now, you can crawl back into your hole and do some research next time before opening your trap.

[LoadedWraps]

Can a Fury fan tell us what fight (besides the borefest vs Wlad) that makes him so great ?!?!?

The problem is with that criteria.

I don't need to see him fight someone or something in particular. I just know it when I see it. The eye test matters far more in boxing than other sports, and o can't really explain how to gauge talent unless we are standing side by side in a gym. It's just experience and exposure.

I know that comes off as a weak cop out on an online forum, but it's true, and I'm far more successful wagering and predicting outcomes than not, using just my knowledge and intuition and gut. It works for me in and out of the ring, so why question myself?

What makes him great and special is he is the complete package, he does everything well and nothing wrong, and the few times he has been down in his career are largely because he is fooling around, not because of some flaw. Not only does he have the physical he has the intangibles, and skillset. No one can beat him on paper and no one on paper even looks competitive. You can argue Usyk, but he is unproven at HW. It's asine to expect a lesser fighter on paper to win a mythical matchup regardless of who that fantasy opposition is, no one in history brings what he brings to the table.

[Curtis Harper]

The problem is with that criteria.

I don't need to see him fight someone or something in particular. I just know it when I see it. The eye test matters far more in boxing than other sports, and o can't really explain how to gauge talent unless we are standing side by side in a gym. It's just experience and exposure.

I know that comes off as a weak cop out on an online forum, but it's true, and I'm far more successful wagering and predicting outcomes than not, using just my knowledge and intuition and gut. It works for me in and out of the ring, so why question myself?

What makes him great and special is he is the complete package, he does everything well and nothing wrong, and the few times he has been down in his career are largely because he is fooling around, not because of some flaw. Not only does we have the physical he has the intangibles, and skillset. No one can beat him on paper and no one on paper even looks competitive. You can argue Usyk, but he is unproven at HW. It's asine to expect a lesser fighter on paper to win a mythical matchup regardless of who that fantasy opposition is, no one in history brings what he brings to the table.

He didn't look special vs Wlad or Wilder.
It's easy to look great against the Schwarz of the sport.

[LoadedWraps]

He didn't look special vs Wlad or Wilder.
It's easy to look great against the Schwarz of the sport.

He looked more than special against Wlad.

You just don't know what you saw.

Anyone who makes the "wlad didn't throw punches Fury didn't do anything" argument DOESN'T KNOW BOXING.

It's that simple. It really is. If you really saw anything other than a true masterclass and schooling, we are done lol. It's not a debate. Ignoring facts gets us nowhere.

[Curtis Harper]

He looked more than special against Wlad.

You just don't know what you saw.

Anyone who makes the "wlad didn't throw punches Fury didn't do anything" argument DOESN'T KNOW BOXING.

It's that simple. It really is. If you really saw anything other than a true masterclass and schooling, we are done lol. It's not a debate. Ignoring facts gets us nowhere.

Fury was a lil more active than a damn near comatose Wlad. Worst fight in ages.

Of course a fan will hype up everything their guy does.

[AlexKid]

Most men that big are lumbering almost disabled men, and even as an almost disabled giant they have a certain amount of effectiveness, but thats whats so special about Fury he has the same giant size but he moves like an active much lighter man.

Watch him with that as a frame of mind and ull see what a strange thing it is to witness

I mean its strange to see a human that big but then x2 that up with him moving like he does at that size and u almost take yourself out of what you thought normal reality is.

Fury is multidimensional

[nacho daddy]

Vitali isn't in the same league as those men.

He quit against Chris Byrd. Real champions don't quit.

His best fight was getting his face destroyed by an old Lennox Lewis.

Ali quit against holmes

[nacho daddy]

Most men that big are lumbering almost disabled men, and even as an almost disabled giant they have a certain amount of effectiveness, but thats whats so special about Fury he has the same giant size but he moves like an active much lighter man.

Watch him with that as a frame of mind and ull see what a strange thing it is to witness

I mean its strange to see a human that big but then x2 that up with him moving like he does at that size and u almost take yourself out of what you thought normal reality is.

Fury is multidimensional

Lennox lewis moved like a MW and the best of the big men. maybe could not beat all of them but he was good