casual fans need to learn how to score a fight.....

[kafkod]

you clowns NEEEEED to ignore the official scoring criteria because allowing for defence, effective aggression, and ring generalship..... make is extremely difficult for you muppets to justify your "but Golovkin won" argument

Are we arguing about scoring criteria here, or is this really about something else?

shlt got real when I posted a video explaining why/proving that punches landed are not official scoring criteria.....

[Boxing_1013]

no, that is just your..... hopes, dreams, and, wishes LMAO

the rules are quite clear dude.....

* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

like I said earlier..... listening to casual-fans grumble unhappily about scoring for defense..... really does make for a humor-filled afternoon LMAO

this is obviously not your game

you need to watch lower-level fights dude

..... stuff like the old streetbeefs, which used to be much better, more similar to low-level club fights..... now they have a lot of first-timers and guys who are awful, but their old stuff was better..... watch BKB, that kind of stuff..... fights that are less complicated

boxing caters for everyone

when casuals watch that level of fight, they seem content..... the only complaints you really hear from casuals involve top A-level fighters with difficult styles

either stick to following club-fighters, or switch-off when your guys finally step up in class

My friend...and I mean that, I consider you a friend Mr Time.

How exhausting it must be to wake up every day hating a fighter or fighters...and trying to contort the data to somehow show they are less than, and their opponent more than.

Just seems like a tremendous waste of time and energy and I feel you would be better off taking a step back, taking a deep breath, and just enjoying the sport more...trying to leave personal biases at the door.

It's hard for all of us to do that, but I can tell the people who more or less do that on here seem to get a lot more enjoyment out of the sport than the others. They don't get so much of their self-worth tied up in a fighter or fighters, and can just enjoy the sweet science and take a win or loss in stride.

Be well my friend

[daggum]

ok i used this new knowledge i obtained and scored baldomir over floyd. he was fighting the style and pace that he wanted according to me therefore he won. am i doing it right?

[Boxing_1013]

not according to the official rules son

* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

you said that two things matter, but only one of those things is official scoring criteria..... so you score 1, out of a possible 2

and there are 4 official scoring criteria, but you only acknowledge one..... so you score 1, out of a possible 4

so..... your score is 2, out of a possible 6.....

which is..... 33%

not a very good score really

take the test again bro

you can have a do-over, there is no time limit..... we just hope that you guys will get it eventually

From Steve Weisfeld:

"A lot of times fans hear that judges focus on four categories: clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defense and ring generalship," Weisfeld said. "But based upon my own experience, my conversations with other judges and seminars conducted by top judges, judges really focus on one category, and that's clean punches."

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

Would love your response here friend?

[Boxing_1013]

ok i used this new knowledge i obtained and scored baldomir over floyd. he was fighting the style and pace that he wanted according to me therefore he won. am i doing it right?

Yes exactly. This new system will be fun. My guy will always win now! I love this new system.

[Boxing_1013]

not according to the official rules son

* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

you said that two things matter, but only one of those things is official scoring criteria..... so you score 1, out of a possible 2

and there are 4 official scoring criteria, but you only acknowledge one..... so you score 1, out of a possible 4

so..... your score is 2, out of a possible 6.....

which is..... 33%

not a very good score really

take the test again bro

you can have a do-over, there is no time limit..... we just hope that you guys will get it eventually

Clean punches: To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.

So let's focus on the phrase "clean punches." It may not be initially apparent, but there are various elements included within that phrase. First, there's the number of punches. The boxer who lands more punches generally wins. However, harder punches count more than lighter punches.

Steve Weisfeld basically agrees with me...and he said bascially every other judge agrees with me as well. Your thoughts sir?

[Boxing_1013]

not according to the official rules son

* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

you said that two things matter, but only one of those things is official scoring criteria..... so you score 1, out of a possible 2

and there are 4 official scoring criteria, but you only acknowledge one..... so you score 1, out of a possible 4

so..... your score is 2, out of a possible 6.....

which is..... 33%

not a very good score really

take the test again bro

you can have a do-over, there is no time limit..... we just hope that you guys will get it eventually

Defense: Defense is important because it helps a boxer set up his offense. Most judges that I have spoken to do not give credit for defense alone. If a boxer has a good defense, it means that he is not being hit with punches. But let's remember the purpose of the sport: to land punches on your opponent.

If Boxer A throws 10 punches in a round, but lands none of them, and Boxer B lands zero and throws zero, you still have an even round with no punches landing. You don't want to create a disincentive for a boxer to land punches if he thinks he's going to be penalized for missing.

[Boxing_1013]

not according to the official rules son

* clean hard punching
* effective aggression
* defence
* ring generalship

you said that two things matter, but only one of those things is official scoring criteria..... so you score 1, out of a possible 2

and there are 4 official scoring criteria, but you only acknowledge one..... so you score 1, out of a possible 4

so..... your score is 2, out of a possible 6.....

which is..... 33%

not a very good score really

take the test again bro

you can have a do-over, there is no time limit..... we just hope that you guys will get it eventually

Effective aggression: In the extremely rare case of a judge scoring a round otherwise even, the judge might side with the boxer who was the aggressor on the theory that he is trying to make the fight. However, the key is whether or not the aggression is "effective.” Is the boxer landing or just coming forward?

Ring generalship: This term describes a boxer who is generally controlling the action and putting himself into position to land clean punches, or employing a strategy to make his opponent fight his fight. Sometimes, however, the other boxer is forced to fight his opponent's fight and comes out on top.

The 10-point must system of scoring: Fans may accept as a given the fact that the 10-point must system is universal, but that wasn’t the case until recently. Putting aside the possibility of a point deduction by the referee for repeated low blows or other infractions, the winner of a round must receive 10 points, and the loser nine or less. A typical round is 10-9.

If a boxer scores a knockdown, that's usually a 10-8 round. If a boxer thoroughly dominates a round, even without a knockdown, it also could be scored 10-8. If a boxer scores two knockdowns in a round, it’s generally scored 10-7, and so on.


I included the last two paragraphs about the 10 point must system to point out just how basic Mr Weisfeld was being here...basically just talking boxing basics.

Mr Time - a gentlemen here would admit defeat and apologize for his wrongs, I hope you will do so. Have a good evening.

[daggum]

Yes exactly. This new system will be fun. My guy will always win now! I love this new system.

this thread isnt being fought in the style or pace that fckintime wanted therefore he is losing.

[kafkod]

Fairly interesting and well researched article here, concerning current guidelines and discussing some of the problems intrinsic to the system and possible improvements (some of the material has already been covered as it heavily references on the ABC guidelines I've used above)

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sp...g-system-works

Good link!


"Veteran professional boxing judge Steve Weisfeld offers some clarification on this issue by detailing what a judge looks for when scoring a fight."

"A lot of times fans hear that judges focus on four categories: clean punches, effective aggressiveness, defense and ring generalship. But based upon my own experience, my conversations with other judges and seminars conducted by top judges, judges really focus on one category, and that's clean punches."

“To me, clean punches are the most important aspect, and the other factors are really tied to that. Take the phrase, "effective aggressiveness." How is a boxer effective? He's effective by landing clean punches. How about "defense?" A boxer shows great defense by not getting hit with clean punches. And, finally, the term "ring generalship." A boxer uses the ring to put himself in a position to land clean punches.”

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sp...g-system-works

That's what I meant by saying that clean punches landed supersedes other scoring criteria.

aboutfkntime somebody got his brain in gear and stopped posting ridiculous nonsense like this:

shlt got real when I posted a video explaining why/proving that punches landed are not official scoring criteria.....