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Effective aggression and solid defense.
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Its not about casuals learning how to score a fight, its about real Boxing fans who know how to do it but refuse to see a fight for how it pans out. A large amount of Boxing fans cant accept what is happening to their favourite fighters if they are losing so throw honesty out of the window and start trying to find other reasons to give their fighter the rounds. And that is aimed at fans of all fighters, not just these PBC fools who try to explain away PBC favoured robberies every other week when one of their fighters is exposed again.Comment
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Dudes on here calling other dudes on here casuals is pretty special. Perhaps the TS should reveal his world shaking credentials so we can bow down in awe of his superior knowledge.
Opinions are like assholes, as they say, and there's an awful lot of very big opinions on NSB.Comment
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You could could probably phrase that better, man. Landed punches mean just about everything unless the numbers are so close that other factors have to be considered. Since the TS is clearly talking about GGG - Canelo here I'll grant that the numbers are close enough that other factors come into play, but as a general rule your statement is categorically wrong.
Here's what the ABC has to say on it:
The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.
In fact just for the sake of raising general awareness on scoring it's probably worth posting the full text here, since it is something all boxing fans could probably use a refresher on even if the TS is an agenda driven tit.
These are the complete sections pertinent to scoring derived from the ABC Ring Officials Certification manual referenced above.
SCORING ZONE
Every judge should be aware of the scoring zone. The method for establishing the scoring zone starts at the top center of the head, with an imaginary line continuing down the sides of the head through the ears, down to and including the shoulders to the naval and hipbones. Caution should be taken in using the beltline, due to boxers keeping the trunks high above the navel. Any punch delivered outside of the scoring zone should not be considered when scoring the bout.
The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.
In most cases the arms are considered defensive weapons. However, judges must take into consideration the shoulders of a boxer as being in the scoring zone.
SCORING THE BOUT
As a professional boxing judge, your analytical skill is to recognize and acknowledge any advantage one participant is having over the other. At any given point of a round, you must know who is winning. At the conclusion of the round, the contestant who has won the round, no matter how minute the margin, is entitled to that round. The difference might have been a single jab, or a defensive move, yet it was still enough to give that boxer the edge.
The 10-point must system will be utilized for scoring all bouts. The winner of the round will receive 10 points, (minus any points deductions for fouls) with the lesser score awarded to the loser of the round (minus any points deductions for fouls). There are to be no fraction of points awarded, and in the event of an even round, the score will be 10/10. Even rounds should rarely, if ever happen.
A total of three (3) minutes of concentration must be used in determining the winner of a round. Judges should avoid any inclination to watch a particular contestant. Total concentration on one contestant could result in a judge’s failure to see scoring tactics by the other participant. Judges are advised to direct their gaze midway between the two contestants, causing the judge to see and note the actions of both contestants.
Determination should not be mistaken for aggressiveness when one boxer continuously moves forward boring in on the opponent regardless of the number of punches being received. If an attack is not effective, the boxer cannot receive credit for it. In order for the boxer to be effective in their aggressiveness, he or she must force the action and set the tempo of the bout through forward movement. The boxer must score punches while blocking and avoiding the opponents counter punching. An aggressive boxer who continues boring in and getting hit from every angle should not be awarded points based on aggressiveness.
A judge should not only know what a 10/9 round is, but know the degree a boxer is winning the 10/9 round. Either a boxer won a close 10/9 round, a moderate 10/9 round, or a decisive 10/9 round. Extreme decisive may push the score to a 10/8 score depending on the judgment of the judge.
Mentally, a judge MUST know which contestant is winning the round at any given point. You should know the score of the round, and the score should immediately be written on the scorecard at the end of the round.
The application of these scoring concepts will determine a winner in each round.
COMPLETION OF THE SCORECARD
If the referee indicates that a contestant has been knocked down, it must be scored as a knockdown. The referee is the only official that can penalize a contestant for a foul. Judges must deduct points for infractions when the referee officially designates a foul and point deduction.
Double-check your math before handing your scorecard to the referee. If a mistake was made by you on the scorecard, correct and initial your scorecard and inform the referee of your mistake and correction.
Fill out the scorecard in its entirety, enter the points, and turn it over to the referee.
The referee will pick up the cards after each round and turn them over to the Athletic Commission Supervisor.Comment
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You can't win a fight, under normal circumstances, without landing punches, so they mean plenty.
20 punches >>>> 5 punches, regardless of the %. If dude misses 80 % of his punches, you can't give into the % game. Throwing punches can be construed as a form of defense, hence the phrase one's offense is their defense. Throwing punches can prevent a guy from throwing his own punches.
Constantly backing up and retreating isn't a good look in that exaggerated scenario.Comment
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The BBBofC provides even less in the way of precise guidelines, leaving very much up to the discretion of the individual judge.
This laconic passage in the RULES OF BOXING is pretty much it:
3.31 Points will be awarded:-
For “attack” – direct clean hits with the knuckle part of the glove of either hand to any part of the front or side of the head or body above the belt.
The “belt” is defined as an imaginary line drawn across the body from the top of the hip bones.
For “defence” – guarding, slipping, ducking or getting away from an attack. Where contestants are otherwise equal the majority of points will be given to the one who does most leading off or displays the better style.
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Be interesting to hear from some non-English speakers about the what other Governing bodies have to say on the matter of scoring criteria.
Google Translate gives us this from the BDB.
'correct boxing and behavior' - that's one scoring criteria you don't see in the BBBoC regs or ABC guidelines... trust the damn Germans to think about doing things properly...Art. 22: Scoring
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Fights that make ends meet are decided by scoring. Get ranked:
* Attack
* Defense
* Effectiveness of the blow
* Stamina and battle tactics
* Correct boxing and behavior
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In the scoring of the favorably valued boxer are given for each round 10 points, the losing boxer receives according to his performance a lower score. With absolutely balanced round, each boxer receives 10 points.
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Scoring is done with whole points. The referee and the referee are required to score each round. At the end of each round, the score must be added to the numbers of the previous rounds and entered in the bullet form prescribed by the BDB.
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In all battles over the distance, one point from a point to victory is enough.
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If neither of the two boxers has reached the point advantage required for victory in at least two of the three judges, the fight ends in a draw.
Last edited by Citizen Koba; 06-20-2019, 04:14 AM.Comment
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Fairly interesting and well researched article here, concerning current guidelines and discussing some of the problems intrinsic to the system and possible improvements (some of the material has already been covered as it heavily references on the ABC guidelines I've used above)
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/sp...g-system-worksComment
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This is my dude! He is both hilarious and relentless. I see that he is still clowning GGG! He is obsessed with torturing Golovkin fan's
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And you bring this to a thread talking about people not knowing how to score a fight?
A jab to the body is a 'power shot' is it? You probably need to go work on your boxing terminology, man.
A power shot (as the term is generally used) is basically anything other than a jab - the name is kinda misleading since the actual power is irrelevant, as is where it lands. A jab to the body is still a jab and a 'power shot' is still a 'power shot' whether it's a Malignaggiesque slap or a Wilder straight right.
Nowhere - in any set of rules from any governing body - have I ever seen anything stating that body shots are supposed to score 'high points'. Body shots tend to be well regarded because of the lasting damage they may cause and the advantages this may give later on in the fight, but in terms of round scoring they are scored exactly the same as any other punch - ie based on how cleanly they land on a scoring area and the visible effects on the opponent.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 06-20-2019, 06:43 AM.Comment
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