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  • #11
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
    - -Ok, you dumbo. Thanks for letting us know
    Dumbo? LOL well aren’t you a bit precious. You definitely need to step up those insults

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    • #12
      people cry so much about weight

      especially casuals

      Jacobs cheated by skipping the IBF weigh-in waaaaah

      (insert name here) is a weight bully waaaaah

      the fact is, in every division..... there are big guys, and there are small guys..... it used to be much worse back in the day when a lightweight moving up to face a welter could be outweighed by 15-20 lbs

      it is ridiculous to expect every fighter to weigh the same, let alone to all weigh the divisional limit..... if a fighter is too small to face a guy in his own division then he should move down, or take a couple of less physically-challenging fights until he has acclimated to the division..... and if a fighter is killing himself to make weight, then he will end up paying for it in the ring..... there are tactics/gameplans for those situations

      I remember Donaire complaining that he simply could not keep the weight on when he moved up from bantam to 122..... that 4lbs was a killer, it took his body a long time to adjust

      so it does seem a little silly that Usyk can be a cruiserweight in March, and then fight 350lb Miller in July..... or Fury..... or someone like Valuev

      I know that 6'2-210lb Haye, the ex undisputed cruiserweight champ, beat 7'1-310lb Valuev..... essentially a 6-foot 200lb man beating a 7 foot 300lb man..... but Usyk is not Haye, and neither are the other "normal" cruisers

      people cry about a little rehydration weight on Danny Jacobs, and world class fighters like Donaire can have problems putting on 4lbs of usable functional weight..... and yet a heavyweight can give up 1-foot and 100lbs

      Usyk fighting guys like Wilder/Joshua is one extreme..... fighting guys like Miller and even Fury, who would swat him out of the way..... seems ridiculous

      I think a super-heavyweight division would attract more casuals

      not in a freak-show kind of way..... just offer unique fights, while better allowing heavyweight to retain it's "glamour" division status..... without the freaks

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      • #13
        My thoughts are the original cruiserweight class was for guys who couldn't make 175 and didn't want to fight guys weighing 200 plus. The weight limit was 190 and the division made sense . Then the weight limit was raised to 200 pounds and they dropped the same day weigh in. Now many cruiserweights make the 200 pound limit and come into the ring weighing 215 pounds or more. They are full sized heavyweights. Almost every good cruiserweight champ goes to heavyweight for the bigger money.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
          I think the 25 pound jump from Light Heavyweight to Cruiserweight is insane. There should be a division in between the two.

          The next highest weight jump in boxing weight classes is 8 pounds.

          I think the original cruiserweight weight of 190 made sense but 200 is just too high to expect the light heavyweights to move up in weight. Either put a division between the two or move cruiser down to 190 again and make a super cruiserweight division at 210.

          Thoughts?
          I've always felt this way.

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          • #15
            It's bizarre Boxing has so many little weight jumps and a big one from LHW to CW.

            MMA has it better for the most part. 10 lbs weight differences between classes makes more sense, 5-8 lbs differences are too little.

            Some classes need to be combined and then it would be ok to have a buffer between LHW and CW.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
              people cry so much about weight

              especially casuals

              Jacobs cheated by skipping the IBF weigh-in waaaaah

              (insert name here) is a weight bully waaaaah

              the fact is, in every division..... there are big guys, and there are small guys..... it used to be much worse back in the day when a lightweight moving up to face a welter could be outweighed by 15-20 lbs

              it is ridiculous to expect every fighter to weigh the same, let alone to all weigh the divisional limit..... if a fighter is too small to face a guy in his own division then he should move down, or take a couple of less physically-challenging fights until he has acclimated to the division..... and if a fighter is killing himself to make weight, then he will end up paying for it in the ring..... there are tactics/gameplans for those situations

              I remember Donaire complaining that he simply could not keep the weight on when he moved up from bantam to 122..... that 4lbs was a killer, it took his body a long time to adjust

              so it does seem a little silly that Usyk can be a cruiserweight in March, and then fight 350lb Miller in July..... or Fury..... or someone like Valuev

              I know that 6'2-210lb Haye, the ex undisputed cruiserweight champ, beat 7'1-310lb Valuev..... essentially a 6-foot 200lb man beating a 7 foot 300lb man..... but Usyk is not Haye, and neither are the other "normal" cruisers

              people cry about a little rehydration weight on Danny Jacobs, and world class fighters like Donaire can have problems putting on 4lbs of usable functional weight..... and yet a heavyweight can give up 1-foot and 100lbs

              Usyk fighting guys like Wilder/Joshua is one extreme..... fighting guys like Miller and even Fury, who would swat him out of the way..... seems ridiculous

              I think a super-heavyweight division would attract more casuals

              not in a freak-show kind of way..... just offer unique fights, while better allowing heavyweight to retain it's "glamour" division status..... without the freaks
              I agree with most of what you said not the need for super heavyweight class. Heavyweights already allows men of any weight to fight so it already is a super heavyweight class. If this super heavyweight class was created how would it work? Would men weighing less than 250 pounds not be allowed to fight in it? Good fighters will always want to fight in the class that makes the most money if they think they can win. It would be silly to have a super heavyweight class if a guy like Wilder was too light to compete in it even if he could KO the super heavyweight champ. We have too many weight classes already so just leave heavyweight as it is with no weight limit.

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              • #17
                I agree it's ridiculous to have 25lbs between weight classes

                Put it back down at 190

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                • #18
                  It should go 160-175-200 and it’s less of a jump. The classes go by percentage. 168 is and always has been a useless stop gap division

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
                    people cry so much about weight

                    especially casuals

                    Jacobs cheated by skipping the IBF weigh-in waaaaah

                    (insert name here) is a weight bully waaaaah

                    the fact is, in every division..... there are big guys, and there are small guys..... it used to be much worse back in the day when a lightweight moving up to face a welter could be outweighed by 15-20 lbs

                    it is ridiculous to expect every fighter to weigh the same, let alone to all weigh the divisional limit..... if a fighter is too small to face a guy in his own division then he should move down, or take a couple of less physically-challenging fights until he has acclimated to the division..... and if a fighter is killing himself to make weight, then he will end up paying for it in the ring..... there are tactics/gameplans for those situations

                    I remember Donaire complaining that he simply could not keep the weight on when he moved up from bantam to 122..... that 4lbs was a killer, it took his body a long time to adjust

                    so it does seem a little silly that Usyk can be a cruiserweight in March, and then fight 350lb Miller in July..... or Fury..... or someone like Valuev

                    I know that 6'2-210lb Haye, the ex undisputed cruiserweight champ, beat 7'1-310lb Valuev..... essentially a 6-foot 200lb man beating a 7 foot 300lb man..... but Usyk is not Haye, and neither are the other "normal" cruisers

                    people cry about a little rehydration weight on Danny Jacobs, and world class fighters like Donaire can have problems putting on 4lbs of usable functional weight..... and yet a heavyweight can give up 1-foot and 100lbs

                    Usyk fighting guys like Wilder/Joshua is one extreme..... fighting guys like Miller and even Fury, who would swat him out of the way..... seems ridiculous

                    I think a super-heavyweight division would attract more casuals

                    not in a freak-show kind of way..... just offer unique fights, while better allowing heavyweight to retain it's "glamour" division status..... without the freaks
                    Disagree, the beautiful thing about heavyweight is seeing a 210 pound man beat a 250 pound man. Things are too even in the other classes, heavyweight is always been revered because it’s no limit.

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                    • #20
                      I vote yes, *187* should exist as a weight class between light-heavyweight and cruiseweight. The 25 pounds difference currently is a bridge too far/dangerous for those boxers to bridge.

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