Comments Thread For: Andy Ruiz: After Beating Joshua, I'll Talk To Sulaiman About Wilder

[Terrell1555]

Ruiz should make the fight at Staples Center in LA! Oh and Champ Mexican isn’t a race.it’s a Nationality.

[NachoMan]

Well, Wilder is definitely a piece of the puzzle that needs to be dealt with for Ruiz to become the real heavyweight champion. But to correct him. No one can become the true heavyweight champ without beating Fury. He’s the man that beat the man that beat the man. Simple as that.

Either way, Ruiz is a nice little story. But even if he manages to get past AJ in their rematch. And that’s a pretty big “if.” I think Fury easily outpoints him and Wilder concusses him.

No, there is no HW lineal champ. Lennox Lewis was the last unified champion. He retired as WBC champ after regaining the titles from Rahman, getting stripped by the WBA and later IBF, then beating Tyson and Vitali. And that was only the last time the lineage was broken up. Tyson Fury did not beat the man who beat the man...who beat John. L. Sullivan. There is no such thing as a lineal champion in the HW division or in any other division for that matter. Not sure why this fallacy persists in the boxingsphere.

[Digital Mouth]

Now that Joshua snd this team have seen what Andy Ruiz is all about I think they can make the necessary adjustments to come back and win the rematch. Otherwise it will be such a waste of AJ talent if they don't

[whoseyourdaddy]

Further proof that Arum focuses too much on his stars rather than all fighters in his stable. I can only imagine how sick Arum feels now, realizing in hindsight that he could have had the WBA, WBO, IBF Champ and the Lineal Champ under his banner.

Lucky for Ruiz, he found the PBC option and now look at where he's at. I don't care what dedicated keyboard trolls say, Haymon is giving boxers the opportunities they crave. And I don't hear any complaints from those who have skin in the game.

Gary Russell, Jr. begs to differ with you.

[Eff Pandas]

Gary Russell, Jr. begs to differ with you.

If thats true GRJ is a f#cking r3tard for keeping quiet for the last 4 or 5 years since he kept quiet & was perfectly happy fighting once a year for years.

I think GRJ just realized HE'S wasted 4 or 5 years & is trying to dumb up interest in his career is whats really going on right now.

Tim Smith was talking about this last year after GRJ had his one fight for the year that GRJ only wants to fight once a year & now this year suddenly when his one fight for the year goes down he's trying to act like he's been waiting for something for 4 years.

[whoseyourdaddy]

The HW champ is for everyone? When did you make that sh-it up and who are you to tell Ruiz that he has to stop being a proud Mexican?

If some fools here don't like Andy pandering the Mexican heritage, stop reading this type of posts, and GTFOH, otherwise go tell Fury to stop pandering his gypsy heritage, Joshua his little country in Africa, Wider to his African American and so on so forth.


Seriously, people, actions and words these days are the most retårded, "If you do not stop being proud of your heritage I will start disliking you" That sounds soooo ******!!!

[Motorcity Cobra]

When I wrote that topic asking why did Top Rank give up on Ruiz after a close fight with Parker y'all told me Top Rank didn't give up on him. Yall said Ruiz was to blame

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I had to buy out my contract. I was a bit sad at the time because they did not give me fights. Since then I've signed with PBC and they have brought*me fights and thank God I got the opportunity for the world championship," Ruiz said.

[hitking]

What do you mean fury is the man that beat the man that beat the man? Wladimir never beat Lewis if anything Vitali was the better of the brothers. Let's say for some reason by default he was the lineal, then when he retired he lost it like Lewis did? He said he retired several times when he was away. What if Lewis returns? Does he become the lineal champ again? Fury needs to properly beat AJ and Wilder to be considered 'lineal' if he ducks then he is just a fraud running his mouth whilst fighting bums like scwharz.

“Beat the man that beat the man that beat the man” is just a saying bro wasn’t being super technical.

As for your stance on the Klitschko brothers, I agree. I always considered Vitali better. And I felt Vitali was the true heavyweight champ while he was active.

As for Fury, and his claim to the legitimate heavyweight title. His claim to being the man definitely faded during his inactivity. But IMO, no one stepped forward and established himself as the clear cut top guy. And when Fury did return, he arguably beat one of the guys with a claim to the top spot. So to me, he’s done enough, along with nobody else establishing himself, to at least need to be beaten for someone to claim heavyweight supremacy. Just my opinion.

BTW, why would Fury need to beat AJ to become the top guy in the division? AJ is pretty much irrelevant until he cleans up that mess he made a couple weeks ago.

[hitking]

No, there is no HW lineal champ. Lennox Lewis was the last unified champion. He retired as WBC champ after regaining the titles from Rahman, getting stripped by the WBA and later IBF, then beating Tyson and Vitali. And that was only the last time the lineage was broken up. Tyson Fury did not beat the man who beat the man...who beat John. L. Sullivan. There is no such thing as a lineal champion in the HW division or in any other division for that matter. Not sure why this fallacy persists in the boxingsphere.

Lineal championships nowadays are generally recognized when guys establish themselves as the clear top guy in a division. But lineal titles are like anything else. They’re only as valuable as the guy holding it. No one really gave a s.hit about Adonis Stevenson’s lineal light heavyweight title because of the way he avoided the top guys in his division. Same holds true with Fury. The biggest difference with Fury is that he arguably just beat the top guy in the division. That combined with him beating the last true top dog in the division makes him very relevant. How ever you wanna categorize it.

[hitking]

I’m on record of picking Ruiz get KO’d in under 7. Way different circumstances this time. AJ took him as an easy win. Now his team can take the fight serious, study film and have full training camp dedicated just to beat him. AJ was even joking letting him hold his belts last time. This time it’s his career on the line.

I don’t think AJ’s focus or lack thereof had anything to do with the outcome of that fight. I just think AJ is chinny and got caught a couple times when he had Ruiz hurt. He also has stamina issues and didn’t have someone in front of his that let him off the hook when he was tired and hurt.

But at the end of the day, I think he’s better than Ruiz. I also think that what happen to him in the first fight is fixable. He basically got caught going for the kill. If he stays patient and uses his physical advantages, he should be fine in the rematch.