I think some of you dont understand the concept on how punches are setup

[PATO 1]

rjj avoided punches through his god-given ability an reaction

floyd learned his in the gym

[Super_Lightweight]

I will bet you on this fight, if it happens. I think it's 50-50, but I'll throw some points on Tony. I could go 300 million or so, if ya like. Might as well make in a little more interesting, even if these pts mean nothing in the scheme of things.

[El Jesus]

id go 60-40 because of the fact that floyd is a proven world champion and margarito's only credentials are that hes "dangerous" without a proven opponent on his record, its purely circumstance, whereas floyd at the VERY LEAST, has the track record.

[realheavyhands]

i dont think he can walk through all his punches


sometimes the sheer volume of punches hurts more than the power

floyd doesnt throw alot of punches

[El Jesus]

floyd doesnt throw alot of punches

I think hes referencing getting countered over and over which Floyd is definately capable of doing. Floyd punches very accurately. Accurate counters hurt.

[amagnin]

I think hes referencing getting countered over and over which Floyd is definately capable of doing. Floyd punches very accurately. Accurate counters hurt.

Exactly. Floyd won't stop you with a 1 punch KO. But because of his speed and accuracy the punches mount over time. After a while, a lot of opponents are fatigued from being hit so much. I see this fight a lot like the Julio-Quintana fight. Julio had great power and even got the flash knockdown, but was then throroughly dominated by the better boxer. Floyd has a good enough chin and enough speed and boxing ability to win this either by TKO or UD. I just want to see this thing happen though... please no Cory Spinks.

[keystone30pack]

From fighter to fighter and weight class to weight class different fighters setup differently. In this instance I will use Zab/Floyd/Margarito.

Zab is a southpaw and a fantastic boxer when he wants to be. He can move, hes slick and he sets up in a deceptive fashion that makes it hard to know when hes gonna throw a vicious counter straight left or whichever punch he feels he can hit you with. His handspeed is outstanding and the way he sets up makes it very difficult to catch onto his rhythm when hes focused.
KEYWORDS..WHEN HES FOCUSED.

Many of you love to make statements about how Zab caught floyd, or Corley caught floyd etc etc, this is all true, however, some of you compare Zab/Corley catching floyd and claim Margarito will do the same easily.

Ill tell you why this is not the case. Zab/Corley are much quicker than Margarito, their punches are not as easily seen and the footwork/stances/styles are not the same as Margarito's. I have seen about 7 Margarito fights, in each of those fights, Margarito fights in probably the most basic manner, plodding along for the most part, nothing about his game is deceptive, its straigth foward no bull**** pressure. Hes strong and his punches are stiff and they hurt, however, the way he sets up unfortunatly for him is taylor made for someone who is a properly prepared defensive fighter like Floyd is.

Having seen ALL of Floyds fights i know the best way to get to him is to properly set something up, constantly pressuring floyd isnt really gonna work, especially if he knows its coming. Castillo part 1 was the only time i saw floyd looking a bit lackluster as the fight went on, while i dont believe Castillo did much damage to floyd and while i FIRMLY believe floyd blocked alot of that ****, Castillo was effective in his pressure for that one fight. However, the next fight floyd took care of buisness, he knew what was coming and prepared for it properly. Which is why Jesus Chavez began to take such a beating in the later rounds as well as the fight drew on.

The thing is, alot of you compare Margarito's pressure to Castillo pressure..again, this is simply not true. Margarito is more like a Corralles than a Castillo, Castillo as much as I really dont like the guy is a superior boxer, with head movement and faster counterpunching than Margarito. The way he applies pressure is a bit more accurate and intelligent than Margarito does. Margarito can be hit, and im sorry, I dont think the guy is invincible, many people who said Floyd didint have the "power" to hurt, he hurt. Im not saying Knockout, but hurt. Castillo has a fantastic chin himself, but especially in the 2nd fight, its not like he easily walked through floyds punches like it was nothing.

Floyd sets up in such a way, you have to setup intelligently yourself. With floyd, your going to get hit, and its hard to hit him back. Another thing about Floyd is that he usually figures you out after a few rounds...time and again we see punches that were working for his opponent in rounds 1-4 get neutralized.

Another thing is that Floyd can take a decent punch, and alot of that is because he has a decent chin, but he also usually knows whats coming, even when you throw flurries of punches, hes good enough defensively to block it, or partially block it. Zab caught Floyd with some VERY good shots and even knocked him down slightly, but he was never really hurt, he got caught yes, but never really truely wobbled. Even in the corley fight he was just briefly stunned.

We also dont know how well Margarito is really conditioned, because hes never been in with a class A boxer, we dont know how well he stands up to being frustrated by speed and talent. How do we know that floyd going to his body isnt going to be an effective strategy?

On the other hand its possible that Margarito could try to muscle someone like floyd around, punk him, really get in his head and fight a little dirty.

So I hope you all understand that the styles of these people really matter, you cant go around comparing one persons strength to anothers because style varies from fighter to fighter. "Pressure" is a word easily thrown around, how you do it is another story, many of you underestimate ring intelligence. It goes a long way, Zab has nearly every skillset that floyd does, but hes too ****** to make use of it all for 12 rounds of every fight.

There are many other examples with many different fighters, however i hope some of you will take into consideration what im trying to say. The toughest part about my thread for me personally is that because ive never seen Margarito with anyone i actually rate as a outstanding fighter, i simply cant judge him that well, and because i have seen mayweather with about a few fighters that i rate well, especially Castillo/Corralles/Zab/Jesus Chavez/Genaro and Carlos Hernandez

It makes it easier for me to dictate how his style is presented. Mayweathers speed isnt as much an asset as is his intelligence and defensive ability, this is what i factor in when thinking about his future fights at 154/147.

I know ill get some hate for some of the things im saying (waits for ferocity to try to tell me im wrong on every angle) but hopefully you all see the logic in my statement.

you put quite a bit of time in to this post

i had to bump it up , it deserves more responses

anyhow, you are correct. there is no comparabel fighter on margarito's resume

in addition, he is not as skillfull as castillo or as athletic, elusive, or quick of the punch as zab or chop chop

in fact margarito got hit quite a few times by lujan the brawler

also you are correct that pbf in ring intellect and defensive skills are his true superior attributes that seperate him from others

margarito's pressure is straightup in your face, he comes to fight

floyd will move alot and avoid getting caught, turn mar, and hit him wiht shots when he is off balance

however, i see a possibility of margarito bullying floyd, using his size advantage and putting him on the ropes

sure floyd will roll most of the punches but margarito's punch output is superior to judah and chop chop

[Super_Lightweight]

Margarito is quite skillful, relaxed, and throws punches from many angles (his best attribute). Cintron was supposed to walk over Tony, and instead the opposite happened. That's due to Tony's years in the ring as a proven fighter. He's beaten whoever would fight him at 147 with considerable ease. he hasn't lost at 147 in over 10 years I believe.

There is no way in a cold hell that Floyd will stop Tony. If anyone gets stopped in this fight, it is Floyd. Floyd will get a decision victory if he wins.

[LondonRingRules]

I know ill get some hate for some of the things im saying (waits for ferocity to try to tell me im wrong on every angle) but hopefully you all see the logic in my statement.

** Overall it's a good analogy except as applied to Floyd.

Anyone can be beat, but Margarito is massively stronger and more powerful and can only be held off so long. SRLeonard could beat Margarito, but Floyd is no SRL as much as you would like to believe such a thing which is the root of your flawed analysis. Leonard was bigger, stronger, faster, and more willing to take chances.

Floyd is a poor man's SRL fighting above his best weight. His only advantage would be if Margarito becomes weak from making what has to be a killer weight for him, turning him into 2006 Vargas or Tarver.

[El Jesus]

** Overall it's a good analogy except as applied to Floyd.

Anyone can be beat, but Margarito is massively stronger and more powerful and can only be held off so long. SRLeonard could beat Margarito, but Floyd is no SRL as much as you would like to believe such a thing which is the root of your flawed analysis. Leonard was bigger, stronger, faster, and more willing to take chances.

Floyd is a poor man's SRL fighting above his best weight. His only advantage would be if Margarito becomes weak from making what has to be a killer weight for him, turning him into 2006 Vargas or Tarver.

I dont discount your opinion, while im not even going to go into the sugar ray leonard aspect, what your saying isnt unfathomable.