Comments Thread For: Hearn: Anthony Joshua Got Sloppy and Never Recovered

[Patsfan bri]

wilder is not a bum that’s just trash talk and you get to be a heavyweight champ if your a bum....as for Joshua maybe he is but as I said one punch can change a fight and when 275 heavyweight clocks you on the temple things happen...I’m not making excuses he got beat that’s it...let’s see his true charachter in the rematch against Ruiz

fair enough. I wonder what miller is thinking?

[hitking]

and neither have the potential drawing power of Anthony Joshua, or at least what he had prior to this loss

Big fight yes, super fight no

As a hardcore fight fan, a superfight is a matchup between two elite fighters when talking non-heavyweights. A heavyweight superfight is when you have two of the unquestioned top guys fighting. I don’t particularly care about drawing power or how much each fighter is getting paid. Before last night, there were three heavyweights that could make a legitimate claim to being the top guy in the division. One domino fell, and now we have two. If they fight, it’s a superfight. I wouldn’t care if they did it secretly in a small gym in AL. I’d be just as excited about it as I would if they did it in front of 100K people in a big stadium somewhere.

[techliam]

As a hardcore fight fan, a superfight is a matchup between two elite fighters when talking non-heavyweights. A heavyweight superfight is when you have two of the unquestioned top guys fighting. I don’t particularly care about drawing power or how much each fighter is getting paid. Before last night, there were three heavyweights that could make a legitimate claim to being the top guy in the division. One domino fell, and now we have two. If they fight, it’s a superfight. I wouldn’t care if they did it secretly in a small gym in AL. I’d be just as excited about it as I would if they did it in front of 100K people in a big stadium somewhere.

Well your definition of a super fight differs drastically than mine. In fact, yours is depressing as two top fights shouldn’t count as a super fight, that should be standard practice.

When I think of super fight, I think of Mayweather/Pacquiao, Lewis/Tyson, Ali/Foreman... fights capable of appeal way outside of the boxing fraternity. We’ve lost that now, the allure of two technically undefeated power punching HW’s, for all the belts, has disappeared

[hitking]

so if joshua comes back and beats ruiz easy in the rematch your still confine him to the fight last night......just as well your not an historian regarding joe louis , lennox lewis and ray robinson.
No heart lol...he was down four times and he was clearly a beaten fighter last night and he would not have seen out 12 rounds lol
For me its better to regroup and come back and fight on another day than get permantly damaged in that ring.

AJ lost his aura last night. Majority of people saw him as the best heavyweight in the world. He also would have been favored to beat Wilder and Fury. That’s over with, regardless if he beats Ruiz or not. Looking at the former Big 3 heavyweights. I always thought Wilder would beat Fury, Fury would beat AJ, and AJ would beat Wilder. Obviously, Wilder didn’t handle Fury the way I thought he would. And now, even though I think AJ could outbox Wilder in spots. I don’t see an scenario where AJ could deal with Wilder’s fire power for an extended period of time. Wilder hits too hard and AJ’s chin is too weak. Plus he’s not overly difficult to hit like Fury.

[hitking]

Well your definition of a super fight differs drastically than mine. In fact, yours is depressing as two top fights shouldn’t count as a super fight, that should be standard practice.

When I think of super fight, I think of Mayweather/Pacquiao, Lewis/Tyson, Ali/Foreman... fights capable of appeal way outside of the boxing fraternity. We’ve lost that now, the allure of two technically undefeated power punching HW’s, for all the belts, has disappeared

Your definition of a superfight has more to do with the size of the event moreso than the quality of the matchup. You also place too much stock in the belts. AJ was never a champion. He was a paper trinket holder. And to a degree so is Wilder. Fury has a good, or better claim to the legitimate heavyweight title as both. All that happened last night was a fake domino fell.

[The plunger man]

Your definition of a superfight has more to do with the size of the event moreso than the quality of the matchup. You also place too much stock in the belts. AJ was never a champion. He was a paper trinket holder. And to a degree so is Wilder. Fury has a good, or better claim to the legitimate heavyweight title as both. All that happened last night was a fake domino fell.

so if fury loses to Swartz or wilder to Ortiz that’s still your same opinion ...we’ve already seen last night when fighters look beyond there opponent and then loses to them.
A real superfight comes along every decade.
Pacquiao vs mayweather
Lewis vs Tyson
Leonard vs hagler
Ali vs foreman and so on.
Wilder vs Joshua was never going to be that due to america not having the same passion for boxing as it did then.
Those fights transcended boxing and even people not really interested in boxing watched the fights.
Joshua for now is out the mix if he comes back and beats Ruiz in the rematch he gains some credibility he lost last night but not all... the only thing which can redeem him is if he manages to come back and take out wilder and fury.
That’s if they don’t lose before

[The plunger man]

fair enough. I wonder what miller is thinking?

I’m not sure because I think a lot of spite and needle would have come into it and Joshua maybe would have more drive to hurt miller and it would be much more personal.
For Joshua is out of contention so if both fury and wilder come through there fights they can settle it but we’ve seen shockers in the past

[NachoMan]

fair enough. I wonder what miller is thinking?

I anyone is suicidal this morning, it's Miller. Boy did he screw up his life.

[hitking]

so if fury loses to Swartz or wilder to Ortiz that’s still your same opinion ...we’ve already seen last night when fighters look beyond there opponent and then loses to them.
A real superfight comes along every decade.
Pacquiao vs mayweather
Lewis vs Tyson
Leonard vs hagler
Ali vs foreman and so on.
Wilder vs Joshua was never going to be that due to america not having the same passion for boxing as it did then.
Those fights transcended boxing and even people not really interested in boxing watched the fights.
Joshua for now is out the mix if he comes back and beats Ruiz in the rematch he gains some credibility he lost last night but not all... the only thing which can redeem him is if he manages to come back and take out wilder and fury.
That’s if they don’t lose before

If Wilder and/or Fury are knocked off before they make it to each other. The division will very much start to resemble the current situation at 154.

[sportbuddha]

Why did AJ come to the US in the first place? The rematch, which occurs in the UK, won’t have many eyeballs in the US for the same reason he isn’t well-known here. Afternoon fights on an app won’t fly here.

And that’s assuming he wins. God forbid he loses again.

But you’re missing the point. The “smug comments” come from Hearn. And Joshua. They got their comeuppance. And no matter what happens going forward, they will never have the leverage they once had.

Hearn is smug and he also just has a face people don’t like, the way he talks he’s a Londoner through and through which is the UK equivalent to being a New Yorker, it’s just not likeable to a lot of Americans, but it’s pointless hating him because he’s the one with a fat bank account and he’ll be around for a lot longer even if AJ’s career is over.

AJ, I don’t think he’s all that smug tbh, he’s confident - you’d have to be in the sport - but he handled defeat with respect and even in build ups to all his fights he stays calm unless provoked. I think AJ is just doing what he does and isn’t really the problem. Ironically, losing might actually help his image, everyone loves a comeback story.