Unbelievable , potentially 6 pbc PPVs in 2019??Crazy.

[MasterPlan]

Big difference in pricing tho. A lot of those PPVS were waaaaay cheaper. I remember 19.99 PPVs. Hell top PPVS were around 40 bucks. Now all the PPVS are 80 bucks no matter how bad it is there is no discounted price. That's the biggest issue not just how many in 2019 but each is price gauging you to the max.

I think the first $30-$35 took place in 1991. A Holyfield fight I think. I posted it here a few months ago. I think $35 in 1991 equals $75 in 2018 I believe.
We're essentially paying the same as we were 30 years ago.

[MasterPlan]

I'm not saying its not in play but its worth noting that 5 PPV's at $80 works out to the same money as 13 PPV's at $30. And I did look up the Mercer vs Briggs & Rahman vs Barrett PPV's & they were both $30. No clue if that's high, low or average for that time doe.

Holyfield-Forman was $35 in 91
Winky-Tito was $50 in 2005
Crawford-Postal was $60 in 2016

[Eff Pandas]

Holyfield-Forman was $35 in 91
Winky-Tito was $50 in 2005
Crawford-Postal was $60 in 2016

Interesting.

I'd bet if you count inflation + more PPV's back in the day when PPV really got rolling in 92ish (with TVKO to now, or formerly I guess at this point, HBO PPV coming on the scene with monthly shows, which didn't last very long) we probably paid more back in the day then we pay today overall.

But I'd be curious to see year by year prices & revenue generated to see if its increased or decreased over the years for sure.

[Eff Pandas]

flooding the market is never a good idea.

What are you even talking about?

With Canelo exiting the PPV market there is a bunch of PPV marketshare to pick up for those that look for PPV fights. I think PBC moving to PPV is a weird move partially cuz I always thought part of their business model was making fights more accessible, but I also think with Canelo leaving being the new "HBO PPV" like entity putting on regular PPV's is a smart money grab.

PPV isn't dead regardless of what DAZN & Eddie are telling you. Ironically for Eddie as he's selling PPV's in the UK.

[andocom]

Idk about 15-20, but yea there were A LOT more PPV's not THAT long ago.

Fans are pretty ignorant about the whole PPV thing I feel like as a cat who used to dork out on PPV bs.

Here's a random PPV year for those curious:

2005

March, Morales vs Pacquiao I, 340k buys

April, MAB vs Mzonke Fana, 70k buys

April, Margarito/SSM co headlining PPV, 220k buys

May, Tito vs Winky, 520k buys (Biggest PPV of the Year)

May, JCC vs Ivan Robinson, 100k buys

June, Tyson vs Kevin McBride, 250k buys

June, Floyd vs Gatti, 340k buys

July, Taylor vs Bhop I, 370k buys

Aug, Rahman vs Monte Barrett, 30k buys

Aug, Mercer vs Briggs, 10k buys

Oct, RJJ vs Tarver III, 400k buys

Oct, Chico vs Castillo II, 200k buys

Dec, Taylor vs Bhop II, 410k buys

And look the world didn't collapse in 2005

Yeah the big difference is in 2005 if you didn't get the PPV you didn't see the fight, now you have a choice of buying the PPV and watching the fight or streaming it for free and watching the fight.

This is the reality the UFC are dealing with also, their PPV numbers have fallen off a cliff. I think PPV will still work for a while with mega fights, but thats it.

Its not all lost but the model has to change, you can still pirate music & movies, but when you can pay $10 a month for Netflix or Spotify most people can't be bothered with the hassle and just pay the fee. Obviously dazn is betting on this.

For PPV it becomes a death spiral, less people paying and more illegal streaming, less money to attrach the big fights, raising the price just pushes more to stream.

[andocom]

What are you even talking about?

With Canelo exiting the PPV market there is a bunch of PPV marketshare to pick up for those that look for PPV fights. I think PBC moving to PPV is a weird move partially cuz I always thought part of their business model was making fights more accessible, but I also think with Canelo leaving being the new "HBO PPV" like entity putting on regular PPV's is a smart money grab.

PPV isn't dead regardless of what DAZN & Eddie are telling you. Ironically for Eddie as he's selling PPV's in the UK.

Aren't UK PPVs like $20 though?

Also Canelo didn't die, he went to dazn and presumably took many of his fans with him, not sure they are going to start buying PBC's PPVs just because they don't have to pay for Canelo's.

[Eff Pandas]

Aren't UK PPVs like $20 though?

No clue what that has to do with anything I'm talking about.

It also rains a lot in the UK I've heard. That has nothing to do with anything we are talking about either.

Those plant based tacos at Del Taco suck balls btw to since we are just talking about random sh^t. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, but I wanted to try them out all the same.

Also Canelo didn't die, he went to dazn and presumably took many of his fans with him, not sure they are going to start buying PBC's PPVs just because they don't have to pay for Canelo's.

And there are still a lot of boxing fans with disposable income looking for PPV fights. PPV fights are a THING.

And sure not everyone is gonna start buying PPV fights just cuz Canelo isn't there, but with Canelo gone that opens the PPV market wide & that gives PBC the ability to conquer that sphere with lil sweat or stress. Thats all I'm saying. Its virtual free money & all these solid fights doing 300k-450k is solid business & could lead into making the next big PPV guy. Idk that I'd bet on it cuz PBC seems horrible at keeping a fighters trajectory moving in the right direction, but I do think they've been doing a good job with Wilder as of late. Spence's trajectory has been very disappointing to me doe.

[Eff Pandas]

Yeah the big difference is in 2005 if you didn't get the PPV you didn't see the fight

They showed the fight the next week most of the time iirc.

This is the reality the UFC are dealing with also, their PPV numbers have fallen off a cliff. I think PPV will still work for a while with mega fights, but thats it.

Idk that that means anything cuz its not like the UFC numbers are all brand driven. Granted the brand angle to the UFC likely secures them a certain % of any buys they get, but they also just had some HUGE stars who went belly up. So not unlike boxing with it being a transitional stage as we find the next Floyd, Manny & Oscar the UFC is trying to find the next Conor & Ronda.

So in fairness you COULD be right & the bad turndown just happened to line up with their big draws going south, but I'd bet on their big draws going south having more to do with their recent downtrend in buys.

Its not all lost but the model has to change, you can still pirate music & movies, but when you can pay $10 a month for Netflix or Spotify most people can't be bothered with the hassle and just pay the fee. Obviously dazn is betting on this.

For PPV it becomes a death spiral, less people paying and more illegal streaming, less money to attrach the big fights, raising the price just pushes more to stream.

I wouldn't disagree with you here too much cuz things do change & maybe PPV needs to change or adjust in some way. The WWE long ago twisted their PPV plan & they are more cutting edge & transitional than most legit sports. But I don't think there is any reason to think PPV is anywhere close to some sorta death spiral. Sh^t man closed circuit was around in the 60's, if not before, & while it didn't die most people would say it died with how lil importance it had at some point, but Floyd & Canelo made it back into a thing again.

So even if PPV ducks out or changes at some point I think the bottom line is we will be paying for boxing cuz thats one thing DAZN hasn't changed at all. We have been paying for boxing since the beginning of the sport watching it in theaters a week or month after the fight in the old days & we are still paying to watch fights. And thats a point I think gets lost on too many fans. We are paying for boxing regardless if you wanna call it a HBO or Showtime subscription, for basic cable access, for pay per view, for watching at closed circuit locations & now for ESPN+ & DAZN. Its all money out of our pocket.

[daggum]

pbc is free boxing what you dont like free boxing?

[andocom]

No clue what that has to do with anything I'm talking about.

It also rains a lot in the UK I've heard. That has nothing to do with anything we are talking about either.

Those plant based tacos at Del Taco suck balls btw to since we are just talking about random sh^t. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, but I wanted to try them out all the same.



And there are still a lot of boxing fans with disposable income looking for PPV fights. PPV fights are a THING.

And sure not everyone is gonna start buying PPV fights just cuz Canelo isn't there, but with Canelo gone that opens the PPV market wide & that gives PBC the ability to conquer that sphere with lil sweat or stress. Thats all I'm saying. Its virtual free money & all these solid fights doing 300k-450k is solid business & could lead into making the next big PPV guy. Idk that I'd bet on it cuz PBC seems horrible at keeping a fighters trajectory moving in the right direction, but I do think they've been doing a good job with Wilder as of late. Spence's trajectory has been very disappointing to me doe.

The $20 UK comment was relevent to what Hearn said, he didn't say PPV was dead outright, he said the $70+ PPV in the US is dead because the dazn model made it untenable, with dazn a month is $20 a year is $100. I think people view $20 as impulse buy, not so $70.

You seem to think losing the biggest US PPV star is somehow good for PPV.