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  • Boxing_1013
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    #81
    Originally posted by kafkod
    It always pays to think about statistics comparing results achieved by radically different systems before jumping to conclusions about them.

    In the UK, where healthcare is free at the point of service, anybody with a serious illness or injury will be admitted to a hospital immediately and they will stay in that hospital, receiving the best treatment available for their condition, until they are either well enough to be discharged .. or dead.



    The availability of free dental treatment varies a lot from region to region in the UK. In some areas, you have to wait a lot longer than others to get it, unless you are a minor or in pain, in which case you will be treated immediately, wherever you live.

    I am lucky enough to get my treatment on the NHS. It isn't free, because I have a paid job, but it costs me a lot less than I would be paying if I was a private patient. If I lost my job, I would get the same treatment, by the same dentist, for free.

    How long to people generally have to wait to get free or government subsidised dental treatment in the US?
    Lol you didn't read the article did you. It actually completely refutes what you said and intuitively the article makes sense - the UK has long wait times, and can't possibly provide the quality of care needed in a timely fashion for its people. As a result, there are many deaths and health issues from this.

    4. Numerous unnecessary deaths occur under the NHS. A study conducted by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine concluded that around 750 patients a month – one in 28 – pass away due to subpar quality of care, which includes "inattentive monitoring of the patient’s condition, doctors making the wrong diagnosis, or patients being prescribed the wrong medicine." In other words, patients needlessly die as a result of the incompetence of the NHS.

    For example, in January an elderly woman died from cardiac arrest after waiting 35 hours on a trolley because there was a shortage in hospital beds. A 73-year-old man also died from an aneurysm in the same hospital as he languished in the waiting room.


    Other factors that lead to unnecessary deaths include NHS hospitals not informing other hospitals about terrible workers and the NHS' bad habit of sacrificing patient care to cut back on costs: (H/T: Forbes)

    NHS doctors routinely conceal from patients information about innovative new therapies that the NHS doesn’t pay for, so as to not “distress, upset or confuse” them.

    Terminally ill patients are incorrectly classified as “close to death” so as to allow the withdrawal of expensive life support.

    NHS expert guidelines on the management of high cholesterol are intentionally out of date, putting patients at serious risk, in order to save money.

    When the government approved an innovative new treatment for elderly blindness, the NHS initially decided to reimburse for the treatment only after patients were already blind in one eye — using the logic that a person blind in one eye can still see, and is therefore not that badly off.


    The UK Daily Mail provided more details as to why this is the case:

    Professor Monty Mythen, head of anaesthesia at University College London and Great Ormond Street Hospital, said: "In America, after surgery, everyone would go into a critical care bed in a highly-monitored environment. That doesn't happen routinely in the UK.

    "In the Manhattan hospital the care (after surgery) is delivered largely by a consultant surgeon and an anaesthetist.

    "We know from other research that more than one third of those who die after a major operation in Britain are not seen by a similar consultant."

    Prof Mythen said waiting lists in the NHS would "put patients at greater risk". He added: "We would be su****ious that the diseases would be more advanced simply because the waiting lists (in the UK) are longer."


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      #82
      Originally posted by kafkod
      The availability of free dental treatment varies a lot from region to region in the UK. In some areas, you have to wait a lot longer than others to get it, unless you are a minor or in pain, in which case you will be treated immediately, wherever you live.

      I am lucky enough to get my treatment on the NHS. It isn't free, because I have a paid job, but it costs me a lot less than I would be paying if I was a private patient. If I lost my job, I would get the same treatment, by the same dentist, for free.

      How long to people generally have to wait to get free or government subsidised dental treatment in the US?
      So you have to pay extra for your dental work? For any real dental work basically? So just as the article said then.

      "It's hard for those in the NHS to find dentists, in part because of a lack of dental schools and quotas. As Mark Levin wrote in his bestseller Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto, numerous dentists will stop taking patients once they reach their yearly quotas since there's no incentive for them to take more patients; those fortunate enough to obtain a dental appointment "are often given cursory treatment. It is not uncommon for a dentist to spend five minutes on a cleaning."

      Seems like the 'free' cleaning is very basic as one may imagine - since the doctor has no real incentive to give good treatment since the pay is the same regardless lol.

      Also in the US - most people have dental care through their employer. Most of these people get 2 free cleanings a year. And if someone needs additional care then insurance usually covers most/a substantial portion of this. And almost every dentist I know here does some sort of charity work for those really in need of care. A couple local dentist donate one whole day a week just to that actually.

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      • kafkod
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        #83
        Originally posted by Boxing1013
        Lol you didn't read the article did you. It actually completely refutes what you said and intuitively the article makes sense - the UK has long wait times, and can't possibly provide the quality of care needed in a timely fashion for its people. As a result, there are many deaths and health issues from this.

        4. Numerous unnecessary deaths occur under the NHS. A study conducted by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine concluded that around 750 patients a month – one in 28 – pass away due to subpar quality of care, which includes "inattentive monitoring of the patient’s condition, doctors making the wrong diagnosis, or patients being prescribed the wrong medicine." In other words, patients needlessly die as a result of the incompetence of the NHS.

        For example, in January an elderly woman died from cardiac arrest after waiting 35 hours on a trolley because there was a shortage in hospital beds. A 73-year-old man also died from an aneurysm in the same hospital as he languished in the waiting room.


        Other factors that lead to unnecessary deaths include NHS hospitals not informing other hospitals about terrible workers and the NHS' bad habit of sacrificing patient care to cut back on costs: (H/T: Forbes)

        NHS doctors routinely conceal from patients information about innovative new therapies that the NHS doesn’t pay for, so as to not “distress, upset or confuse” them.

        Terminally ill patients are incorrectly classified as “close to death” so as to allow the withdrawal of expensive life support.

        NHS expert guidelines on the management of high cholesterol are intentionally out of date, putting patients at serious risk, in order to save money.

        When the government approved an innovative new treatment for elderly blindness, the NHS initially decided to reimburse for the treatment only after patients were already blind in one eye — using the logic that a person blind in one eye can still see, and is therefore not that badly off.


        The UK Daily Mail provided more details as to why this is the case:

        Professor Monty Mythen, head of anaesthesia at University College London and Great Ormond Street Hospital, said: "In America, after surgery, everyone would go into a critical care bed in a highly-monitored environment. That doesn't happen routinely in the UK.

        "In the Manhattan hospital the care (after surgery) is delivered largely by a consultant surgeon and an anaesthetist.

        "We know from other research that more than one third of those who die after a major operation in Britain are not seen by a similar consultant."

        Prof Mythen said waiting lists in the NHS would "put patients at greater risk". He added: "We would be su****ious that the diseases would be more advanced simply because the waiting lists (in the UK) are longer."


        https://www.dailywire.com/news/14470...-aaron-bandler
        LMFAO! An American who knows all about the NHS from reading the Daily Mail!

        I wouldn't wipe my arse with that rag, and I'm defo not going to read extracts from it at a boxing site!

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          #84
          Originally posted by kafkod
          LMFAO! An American who knows all about the NHS from reading the Daily Mail!

          I wouldn't wipe my arse with that rag, and I'm defo not going to read extracts from it at a boxing site!
          A man who can't refute the facts so he attacks the source - which by the way, wasn't even the source at all lol - it was an anecdotal story which was TOLD in the Daily Mail.

          If the facts hurt your feelings man I'm sorry. Keep being proud of that great NHS and paying more and more in taxes for worse and worse care, importing 3rd world doctors to try and survive, and trying to sabotage the will of your people by trying to wiggle out of Brexit at every opportunity.

          You're probably the type of UK guy who follows Gary Linekar on twitter and likes all his posts lol. Fu.cking clown.

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            #85
            Originally posted by kafkod
            LMFAO! An American who knows all about the NHS from reading the Daily Mail!

            I wouldn't wipe my arse with that rag, and I'm defo not going to read extracts from it at a boxing site!
            The NHS faces unrelenting pressure despite funding rising. Why?


            How about the BBC? Is that more your speed?

            Or Fortune?

            Britain's NHS has failed to provide universal health care. So why do leftists like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez want single-payer?


            Or NY Times?

            https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/w...h-service.html

            Or CNN?



            Those are all left-wing rags over here, you should love them

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              #86
              Originally posted by Boxing1013
              ? The US gov't/military was the leader behind all of that I believe.
              Tim Bernars lee is the scientist who invented the www...which is the internet as we know it now...fact

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                #87
                Originally posted by The plunger man
                Tim Bernars lee is the scientist who invented the www...which is the internet as we know it now...fact
                I mean yeah one British guy made a big contribution to an already existing platform - saying the UK invented the internet is a reach.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Boxing1013
                  ? The US gov't/military was the leader behind all of that I believe.
                  Tim Bernars lee is the scientist who invented the www...which is the internet as we know it now...fact

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                  • kafkod
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Boxing1013
                    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-42572110

                    How about the BBC? Is that more your speed?

                    Or Fortune?

                    Britain's NHS has failed to provide universal health care. So why do leftists like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez want single-payer?


                    Or NY Times?

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/w...h-service.html

                    Or CNN?



                    Those are all left-wing rags over here, you should love them
                    I don't need to click links posted by some random American boxing fan on the internet to learn about dentistry and medical care in the UK. I'm British. I live here.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by The plunger man
                      Tim Bernars lee is the scientist who invented the www...which is the internet as we know it now...fact
                      As I said, one man coming up with one (large) contribution to the big picture is not "The UK inventing the internet" lol.

                      Like why try and make this your hill to die on lol. Pick something else.

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