Comments Thread For: Hearn To U.S. Fans: Get Behind Devin Haney, America Has a Star!

[Scipio2009]

Canelo-Jacobs did 1.2 million views. If that was on normal Showtime or HBO it would have done similar. That should explain it to you.

Way to deflect and not answer my question though lol

1.2 million, counting the US, Canada, Germany, Austria, Japan, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and Brazil, lol.

Just imagine if everyone else did that with how they counted

[PotentialToast]

Despite what some people think, DAZN and PBC aren't enemies.

Devin Haney is trained by Floyd Mayweather, who is close to Haymon.

Moving forward, I believe we'll see these platforms joining forces and collaborating to put on big boxing shows.

Hope so. With the money in boxing at moment, the best fightin the best gives boxing then chance to surge in popularity.

Matchroom v Golden Boy might wet the appetite. PBC v Top Rank shared PPV?

[ShaneMosleySr]

Haney must’ve sold over 6,000 tickets then.

[PotentialToast]

Haney looked nearly flawless against a solid fighter. I think he's ready for that wbc eliminator.

Might Loma come around too quickly for him though? Assuming he beats Campbell (which is on for the UK and probably one of the few if not only time I'll see him live, can't wait).

[Boxing_1013]

1.2 million, counting the US, Canada, Germany, Austria, Japan, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, and Brazil, lol.

Just imagine if everyone else did that with how they counted

Are you really trying to say that there are a lot of HBO and Showtime subscribers that aren't in the US lol

[Scipio2009]

Showtime has a whole host of other services though...most of that 30 million (your number not mine) is not watching Showtime for the boxing. Maybe 5% are boxing fans.

Majority of DAZN subscribers are subscribing because of the boxing.

As I mentioned earlier the Canelo-Jacobs viewership number were 1.2 million which are similar already to what it would have been on HBO or Showtime.

Even in DAZN's infancy I think their viewership numbers are similar to other platforms and I think Haney would get about the same attention no matter where he goes. If he is going to be a star it will be because of him not because of the platform.

I think you're wildly off, and the fact that DAZN tried to use a ridiculous amount of spin to cover up the seeming reality that Alvarez-Jacobs (a really good matchup) ended up with 600k-700k folks watching stateside (being abnormally generous let's even say that DAZN got half that audience to give them $100 to see Canelo, lol, we're basically talking about 300k-350k folks committing to DAZN, in a world where Alvarez is a million PPV buys fighter) helps confirm that.

Counting the global number, when that has literally never been the bar for any other fight, is laughable.

If Haney had 100k folks watching him fight on DAZN, I'd be shocked.

Haney's ability will definitely take him as far as he'll go, but you're mistaken if you think the features on Showtime (plus the work that Haney's camp did on their own to push his career story on YouTube and their relationships) didn't help Haney get to this point, or that the absence of said content (continued Showtime featurettes on him, the inclusion in the 135lb conversation across the PBC platform, exposure of his fights to the larger audience, etc) won't stall the momentum.

Anthony Joshua's momentum, in the US anyway, has stalled in a major way, chalk it up to not fighting Wilder or the platform not having folks yet, and DAZN hasn't helped.

[Scipio2009]

Haney must’ve sold over 6,000 tickets then.

MGM National Harbor seats about 2000 people. No idea how many people were in the building, but doubt that they sold even 1000 tickets

[Boxing_1013]

I think you're wildly off, and the fact that DAZN tried to use a ridiculous amount of spin to cover up the seeming reality that Alvarez-Jacobs (a really good matchup) ended up with 600k-700k folks watching stateside (being abnormally generous let's even say that DAZN got half that audience to give them $100 to see Canelo, lol, we're basically talking about 300k-350k folks committing to DAZN, in a world where Alvarez is a million PPV buys fighter) helps confirm that.

Counting the global number, when that has literally never been the bar for any other fight, is laughable.

If Haney had 100k folks watching him fight on DAZN, I'd be shocked.

Haney's ability will definitely take him as far as he'll go, but you're mistaken if you think the features on Showtime (plus the work that Haney's camp did on their own to push his career story on YouTube and their relationships) didn't help Haney get to this point, or that the absence of said content (continued Showtime featurettes on him, the inclusion in the 135lb conversation across the PBC platform, exposure of his fights to the larger audience, etc) won't stall the momentum.

Anthony Joshua's momentum, in the US anyway, has stalled in a major way, chalk it up to not fighting Wilder or the platform not having folks yet, and DAZN hasn't helped.

Canelo-Jacobs does may 500k as a PPV.

DAZN is much more of a global platform, even now in its infancy, than HBO Showtime or the relevant UK networks. It is always about total/worldwide viewership. Just so happens that those other non-DAZN platforms are 98% in the home country. They have no worldwide viewership.

You and many others seem intent on denigrating DAZN and that take is a strange one. They are drastically lowering the PPV price but I guess since it isn't your tribe that's doing it you hate on it. Have no interest in engaging on that.

Have fun paying $100 a fight for a potentially shi.tty fight and I will keep rooting for a platform that charges $100 a year for a lot of good fights and probably a few great fights.

[Scipio2009]

Are you really trying to say that there are a lot of HBO and Showtime subscribers that aren't in the US lol

No. I'm saying that counting viewers in territories outside of the US to make a number look better is silly (Note, Wikipedia does show that Showtime Australia/Arabia/Scandanavia are actual channels; how that ties to boxing viewership is unknown to me).

The stated number was 1.2m, but the US number was somewhere between 600k-700k viewers, with the other 7 DAZN territories contributing practically have the viewers.

Canelo went from basically a million US buys for the Chavez Jr and two Golovkin fights, to now drawing 600k-700k for the Jacobs' fight (and who knows how much he drew against Rocky Fielding, lol), and who knows what going forward (note that none of the sporting press outlets really had anything to say about the fight after, compared to the sporting world talking up Wilder-Breazeale).

It'd be one thing if you could differentiate the information; once you could specifically look at the US numbers, why bother with talking about anything beyond that?

[Scipio2009]

Canelo-Jacobs does may 500k as a PPV.

DAZN is much more of a global platform, even now in its infancy, than HBO Showtime or the relevant UK networks. It is always about total/worldwide viewership. Just so happens that those other non-DAZN platforms are 98% in the home country. They have no worldwide viewership.

You and many others seem intent on denigrating DAZN and that take is a strange one. They are drastically lowering the PPV price but I guess since it isn't your tribe that's doing it you hate on it. Have no interest in engaging on that.

Have fun paying $100 a fight for a potentially shi.tty fight and I will keep rooting for a platform that charges $100 a year for a lot of good fights and probably a few great fights.

I disagree that Alvarez-Jacobs only does 500k; with Canelo's PPV track record, Jacobs being a viable opponent (who can carry the English/urban promotion of the event), and the established media not being against him (don't think that that ESPN freezeout was on accident), the PPV would've performed strongly imo.

DAZN got you for $100 it seems like; sunk cost, but whatever. I think Prograis-Taylor is a great matchup, I think that Alvarez-Andrade is a really good matchup, and I guess 'Monster' Inoue and Joshua-Usyk are cool too.

Outside of that, the well is pretty dry to me; no real competitive matchups to look forward to.

Hopefully you find enough good fight nights to make that $100 worth it to you, lol