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    By Corey Erdman - Knockout punches are the ultimate eraser. They can erase errors made in the ring. They can make up for up to eleven rounds lost in the course of the fight. And they can wipe out any amount of criticism from the general public in one concussive instant. Deontay Wilder didn't have the greatest week in t...
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  • #2
    Nice psychological insight.

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    • #3
      Well-penned. As an academic psychopharmacologist, my colleagues just don`t understand why I love boxing when I personally and empirically know the medical side effects of this particular sport. Boxing is my guilty pleasure. My father introduced me to this sport and I have loved this sport since then. In my research papers, I tend to refer to boxing analogy often to solidify my empirical positions. Letīs be real, empirical evidence shows boxing to be bad for the participants. Yes, you are right, Wilder brought out that discomfort aspect that we tend to preclude when we watch boxing, that is, the fact that this sport can be deadly. I am happy that both fighters are safe and can return to their family. Hopefully, my research findings in the future can contribute to the well-beings of boxer post-boxing.

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      • #4
        "These cast Wilder in extreme shades of negative light no fighter wants to find themselves standing in: As both a fighter not willing to take the toughest available challenge, and also as one criminally disrespectful of the sport. Said viewpoints failed to take a variety of factors and context into consideration, but even for those holding them, Wilderís sudden, violent one-punch knockout of Breazeale washed them away completely."

        I stopped reading after that sentence, because nothing annoys me more than some arrogant tool insulting my intelligence.

        I am not an idiot, and Wilder KOing another easy touch opponent does not "wash away" any of the blatent, bare-faced lies he has told to us boxing fans over the past 9 months.

        He told us over and over again that all he wanted was to fight AJ for the unified heavyweight crown asap - "One name, one face, one champion!"

        He claimed that he was being ducked by AJ and repeatedly labelled him a coward in the media. Then when he was offered the fight he turned it down and told us he was following another path and wouldn't fight AJ for any amount of money.

        Nothing washes away the truth, no matter how much these shills want it to.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by kafkod View Post
          "These cast Wilder in extreme shades of negative light no fighter wants to find themselves standing in: As both a fighter not willing to take the toughest available challenge, and also as one criminally disrespectful of the sport. Said viewpoints failed to take a variety of factors and context into consideration, but even for those holding them, Wilderís sudden, violent one-punch knockout of Breazeale washed them away completely."

          I stopped reading after that sentence, because nothing annoys me more than some arrogant tool insulting my intelligence.

          I am not an idiot, and Wilder KOing another easy touch opponent does not "wash away" any of the blatent, bare-faced lies he has told to us boxing fans over the past 9 months.

          He told us over and over again that all he wanted was to fight AJ for the unified heavyweight crown asap - "One name, one face, one champion!"

          He claimed that he was being ducked by AJ and repeatedly labelled him a coward in the media. Then when he was offered the fight he turned it down and told us he was following another path and wouldn't fight AJ for any amount of money.

          Nothing washes away the truth, no matter how much these shills want it to.
          You make a good point. It is a well penned article, in as much as the writing is clear and nicely articulated, but it still lacks truth.
          Wilder has still ducked and priced himself out of a fight with Joshua. He has still said he'd like to kill someone, and any false remorse expressed now is, in my opinion, more to do with him listening to advisors ("you can't say things like that in public Deontay!") than it is about any real regret. He means it. He has even gone as far as realizing he wouldn't be charged, and has voiced that aloud.
          Don't put words in my mouth, writer. I have not erased or forgotten the ducking, the hypocrisy, and the lies. When he accepts a reasonable offer to fight Joshua then I will believe him. He is still the B side, but admittedly has closed the gap. But it is and was a wide gap in terms of accomplishments and commercial viability. The problem I see in making the Joshua fight in the future, is that Wilder was already being overpaid. Almost any reasonable boxing observer will agree - the amounts he has already declined still exceed his value now. He and his team are throwing around some silly numbers, I anticipate more ducking by way of ridiculous demands. It'd be a great fight. He has a chance, he should just go for it and take that chance.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kafkod View Post
            "These cast Wilder in extreme shades of negative light no fighter wants to find themselves standing in: As both a fighter not willing to take the toughest available challenge, and also as one criminally disrespectful of the sport. Said viewpoints failed to take a variety of factors and context into consideration, but even for those holding them, Wilder’s sudden, violent one-punch knockout of Breazeale washed them away completely."

            I stopped reading after that sentence, because nothing annoys me more than some arrogant tool insulting my intelligence.

            I am not an idiot, and Wilder KOing another easy touch opponent does not "wash away" any of the blatent, bare-faced lies he has told to us boxing fans over the past 9 months.

            He told us over and over again that all he wanted was to fight AJ for the unified heavyweight crown asap - "One name, one face, one champion!"

            He claimed that he was being ducked by AJ and repeatedly labelled him a coward in the media. Then when he was offered the fight he turned it down and told us he was following another path and wouldn't fight AJ for any amount of money.

            Nothing washes away the truth, no matter how much these shills want it to.
            I still don’t understand how people like yourself can criticize Wilder for turning down the DAZN contract. And blame him solely for the AJ fight not happening immediately. But excuse AJ for turning down a $50M guarantee. And before you go into lawyer mode. When I say AJ turned it down. AJ’s initial reaction was that he wanted the fight in the UK and had no desire to come to America to fight Wilder. Yet AJ turned right around and was willing to fight Big Baby for far less money in his US debut. That’s documented and can’t be denied. It’s pretty obvious that these guys are tap dancing around each other. You can throw Fury in the mix on that too. If boxing fans would stop acting like teenager girls who’s matinee idol can do no wrong in their eyes. And actually demand these guys fight each other with our wallets. These fights would happen a lot sooner than they do.
            Last edited by hitking; 05-20-2019, 07:18 AM.

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            • #7
              If wilder took the 3 fight deal, then this fight would have been on DAZN, yes?

              Is a highlight reel KO a highlight reel KO is nobody sees it and it plays on no highlights?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post
                If wilder took the 3 fight deal, then this fight would have been on DAZN, yes?

                Is a highlight reel KO a highlight reel KO is nobody sees it and it plays on no highlights?
                If Deontay Wilder fights Breazeale, Ortiz and Kownacki on Showtime nobody sees Joshua v Wilder on any network. Even though Joshua really wants the fight and apparently so does Deontay.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hitking View Post
                  I still donít understand how people like yourself can criticize Wilder for turning down the DAZN contract. And blame him solely for the AJ fight not happening immediately. But excuse AJ for turning down a $50M guarantee. And before you go into lawyer mode. When I say AJ turned it down. AJís initial reaction was that he wanted the fight in the UK and had no desire to come to America to fight Wilder. Yet AJ turned right around and was willing to fight Big Baby for far less money in his US debut. Thatís documented and canít be denied. Itís pretty obvious that these guys are tap dancing around each other. You can throw Fury in the mix on that too. If boxing fans would stop acting like teenager girls whoís matinee idol can do no wrong in their eyes. And actually demand these guys fight each other with our wallets. These fights would happen a lot sooner than they do.

                  Its because he really wants to see Joshua v Wilder. DAZN made an offer, Wilder turned it down, said it would make more on Showtime but then never came back with a counter offer but instead has lined up other opposition. What is he supposed to think? Who is he supposed to blame? Its Wilder, him and his manager have even said they dont want Joshua next.

                  As for the 50 million Dollar offer from Deontay Hearn and Joshua asked to proceed from the original offer which covered nothing but the 50 million. Finkel refused to send terms, Finkel refused to send a contract and Finkel refused to hold a meeting about the terms and the contract. Not to mention the 24 hour deadline. What is Hearn supposed to do when Team Wilder refuse to send a single piece of official paperwork. How do you proceed from there? So they walked away from that offer cuz it wasnt really an offer.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Slimjoe View Post
                    Well-penned. As an academic psychopharmacologist, my colleagues just don`t understand why I love boxing when I personally and empirically know the medical side effects of this particular sport. Boxing is my guilty pleasure. My father introduced me to this sport and I have loved this sport since then. In my research papers, I tend to refer to boxing analogy often to solidify my empirical positions. Letīs be real, empirical evidence shows boxing to be bad for the participants. Yes, you are right, Wilder brought out that discomfort aspect that we tend to preclude when we watch boxing, that is, the fact that this sport can be deadly. I am happy that both fighters are safe and can return to their family. Hopefully, my research findings in the future can contribute to the well-beings of boxer post-boxing.
                    I am also empirically happy that both fighters are empirically safe and can empirically return to their families.

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