>>> Pacquiao has no wins over an ATG while in his prime...

**pillowfists98** · 05-17-2019, 11:31 AM

Yes he does. Marco Antonio Barrera was in his prime when he fought Pacquiao. Barrera was 29 years old, the #1 126 pounder in the world and top 10 P4P when Pacquiao beat him in 2003.

**Robbie Barrett** · 05-17-2019, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by pillowfists98

Yes he does. Marco Antonio Barrera was in his prime when he fought Pacquiao. Barrera was 29 years old, the #1 126 pounder in the world and top 10 P4P when Pacquiao beat him in 2003.

Not even close. Barrera was past prime before even fighting Naz.

**Dodger07** · 05-17-2019, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Nay_Sayer

Sorry folks but he doesn't...

**KTFOKING** · 05-17-2019, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Robbie Barrett

Not even close. Barrera was past prime before even fighting Naz.

Nah, he was still prime. He had just had a great fight with Morales just a year prior where most thought he won and then even after the Pacquiao fight he proceeded to beat Morales two times.

JMM was also prime when Pacquiao beat him.

**sugarsmosley** · 05-17-2019, 11:40 AM

I agree with OP. Pac is actually a secret BUM. Only reason why hes any good is because floyd fought him, thats it. THat elevated his status only slightly.

**pillowfists98** · 05-17-2019, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Robbie Barrett

Not even close. Barrera was past prime before even fighting Naz.

Not even close? You have a weird definition of "prime" then. You realize that Barrera went on to beat Erik Morales in 2004 after he lost to Pacquiao right? That proves that was still an elite fighter in his prime. This is the same Morales mind you, that actually beat Pacquiao in 2005. If I used the same ultra narrow definition of "prime" then I could make the case that Floyd Mayweather has zero wins over prime all time great fighters but I don't have time to go down that road.

**Idunnoshet** · 05-17-2019, 11:42 AM

What determines if a fighter is in his Prime ?
Age ? Ring wars ? Wins/ losses ?
I think it's a bit subjective tbh.

**Robbie Barrett** · 05-17-2019, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by pillowfists98

Not even close? You have a weird definition of "prime" then. You realize that Barrera went on to beat Erik Morales in 2004 after he lost to Pacquiao right? That proves that was still an elite fighter in his prime. This is the same Morales mind you, that actually beat Pacquiao in 2005. If I used the same ultra narrow definition of "prime" then I could make the case that Floyd Mayweather has zero wins over prime all time great fighters but I don't have time to go down that road.

Morales that beat Pacquiao definitely wasn't prime. Both Barrera and Morales were past prime when Pacquiao fought them.

**Nay_Sayer** · 05-18-2019, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by pillowfists98

Yes he does. Marco Antonio Barrera was in his prime when he fought Pacquiao. Barrera was 29 years old, the #1 126 pounder in the world and top 10 P4P when Pacquiao beat him in 2003.

Prime ATG fighters do NOT lose twice to the likes of Junior Jones...

>>> Pacquiao has no wins over an ATG while in his prime...