(RUMOR) William Morris Endeavor (WME) To Buy PBC

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Why would Haymon necessarily get hustled out here? That would make no sense. WME bought the UFC and still left White in charge.

Fighters are signed to Haymon, not the PBC. WME would need to keep Haymon on board....To well, have any sort of product.

Agree. IF you buy the PBC product thats basically buying the Haymon Sports product cuz I believe Haymon Sports is the real owner of PBC on paper. PBC is just the public facing name of the Haymon Sports product

Kinda how like the owner of the UFC & was Zuffa. Endeavor bought Zuffa which owns the UFC. The UFC is the public facing name of the Zuffa product. They didn't realllllllly buy just the UFC.

You'd be wanting to do the same thing with PBC.

Some of y'all mfers trying to make this some weird semantics situation. Like the ultimate trick Haymon could pull would be to sell "PBC" for $2B or some sh^t & then "PBC" isn't actually anything cuz no fighters are signed to "PBC" or some sh^t like that lol. Haymon all like "LOL Endeavor you dumb mfers".

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Nothing will change except PBC execs will get richer. UFC fans will tell you the product has gotten worse since WME took over. Less stacked cards and more women's MMA. Nothing will save boxing. It is what it is.

[Eff Pandas]

The TV deals were announced with the PBC not Haymon Sports though. If SHO/FOX had deals with Haymon Sports, then would they really be able to go on other networks like DAZN? Would SHO/FOX not ask for exclusivity if they had a deal with Haymon Sports?

Haymon Sports OWNS Premier Boxing Champions doe or thats my assumption cuz its not like I've seen the company documents or anything. Kinda like how Zuffa owned UFC. Zuffa didn't get any TV deals announced either as I recall it.

what exactly are WME buying then? They are buying the contracts to the fighters?

Thats a good question cuz it seems like Haymon Sports is into other sh^t than simply boxing on TV from my understanding. I assume you buy everything Haymon Sports owns doe & that would seem to me to be PBC & the rights to the fighters fighting on PBC. Or maybe Haymon decides he only wants to sell certain portions of Haymon Sports cuz idk what all they could be into or own. That could be a possibility to I'd imagine.

Many of them who don't even have deals with Haymon but just work on fight to fight basis with him?

Thats the same thing with any group doe. When the UFC got bought if McConor only had 1 fight on his deal with them at the time then thats what you'd be buying into & would have to take that into the equation of how much you'd pay for said product.

There is no scenario I can see where WME buys out the PBC without still keeping Haymon on board....Or else they will buying nothing essentially but his current TV deals.

Well yea for sure. To me IF you were to buy Haymon Sports/PBC you'd wanna just buy it & keep the same main people running sh^t that are running sh^t now while maybe adding some guys to the mix to help in areas you see that need help or that fit your own long term goals for the company. And this would be something that would be agreed to & discussed prior to the purchase.

Maybe there is some fat to cut cuz once Endeavor bought the Zuffa/UFC they did clean house & fired some of the guys Dana had on the roster for old times sake. Chuck Liddel & that cat who got hit by a train who's name escaping me atm lol, got sh^tcanned. But they kept on Forest Griffin cuz that mfer was a legit worker & doing something besides coming in at 2pm to sit in a chair & fall asleep til 5pm like those others mfers were probably doing.

[Eff Pandas]

Nothing will change except PBC execs will get richer. UFC fans will tell you the product has gotten worse since WME took over. Less stacked cards and more women's MMA. Nothing will save boxing. It is what it is.

From my understanding as a low level/casual MMA fan & sometimes lurker on MMA dork forums while the US UFC product has been stagnant the worldwide UFC product is gaining ground much more since Endeavor purchased them. Either way its a long game being played. You don't typically spend $4B on something to flip it in a day for a profit.

I think the ESPN deal is a favorable deal for them. They are chopping profits at a lower number since they don't gotta deal with a PPV distributor taking 45% off the top. So things might not look as good, but the revenue is probably looking better for similar numbers.

But sure they are in a stagnant mode of sorts right now in the US, but it'd be naive to think they aren't making moves that have a high probability to pay off in the future. Or hell even if they just sit on the company for a decade & let MMA naturally take its course like its taken its course in the previous decade the company is probably worth $6B in 2029 so who knows their strategy.

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Haymon Sports OWNS Premier Boxing Champions doe or thats my assumption cuz its not like I've seen the company documents or anything. Kinda like how Zuffa owned UFC. Zuffa didn't get any TV deals announced either as I recall it.



Thats a good question cuz it seems like Haymon Sports is into other sh^t than simply boxing on TV from my understanding. I assume you buy everything Haymon Sports owns doe & that would seem to me to be PBC & the rights to the fighters fighting on PBC. Or maybe Haymon decides he only wants to sell certain portions of Haymon Sports cuz idk what all they could be into or own. That could be a possibility to I'd imagine.



Thats the same thing with any group doe. When the UFC got bought if McConor only had 1 fight on his deal with them at the time then thats what you'd be buying into & would have to take that into the equation of how much you'd pay for said product.



Well yea for sure. To me IF you were to buy Haymon Sports/PBC you'd wanna just buy it & keep the same main people running sh^t that are running sh^t now while maybe adding some guys to the mix to help in areas you see that need help or that fit your own long term goals for the company. And this would be something that would be agreed to & discussed prior to the purchase.

Maybe there is some fat to cut cuz once Endeavor bought the Zuffa/UFC they did clean house & fired some of the guys Dana had on the roster for old times sake. Chuck Liddel & that cat who got hit by a train who's name escaping me atm lol, got sh^tcanned. But they kept on Forest Griffin cuz that mfer was a legit worker & doing something besides coming in at 2pm to sit in a chair & fall asleep til 5pm like those others mfers were probably doing.

But W&R really can't force him to give up Haymon Sports, right? At the very least they can't force him to give up other parts of his company outside of boxing.

There is a difference between McGregor being under contract for only one more fight compared to the deals fighters have with Haymon. A lot of them don't have deals in writing, unlike with the UFC where all fighters are under contract or else they don't fight. PBC has fighters on fight to fight deals. Now this only matters if Haymon in completely out as Glaser was alluding to. If they keep him aboard doing what he's been doing? Then of course, no issues there.

WME buying out the PBC pretty much allows them to dictate the terms in their next network deal they get and the structure of the company. And I bet we will be then seeing monthly PPVs with them in charge.

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But W&R really can't force him to give up Haymon Sports, right? At the very least they can't force him to give up other parts of his company outside of boxing.

Idk enough about what % of Haymon Sports W&R own or don't own to comment too much on that. My assumption would be that Haymon could sell his portion of Haymon Sports as he sees fit, but perhaps something in his agreement with W&R prevents that. Lotsa speculating one could do on that with few legit facts to go with.

I would suspect that if a buyer came on the scene he'd wanna buy 100% of Haymon Sports so they'd wanna buy Haymon's %, W&R's % & anyone else who maybe a partial owner for that matter.

There is a difference between McGregor being under contract for only one more fight compared to the deals fighters have with Haymon. A lot of them don't have deals in writing, unlike with the UFC where all fighters are under contract or else they don't fight. PBC has fighters on fight to fight deals. Now this only matters if Haymon in completely out as Glaser was alluding to. If they keep him aboard doing what he's been doing? Then of course, no issues there.

Where are Glaser's comments btw? Can you link me or c/p here?

I'd be surprised if Haymon is completely out if this is a legit thing or if it were to be legit at some future date with another buyer. I think Haymon has a genuine love of boxing & specifically boxers & while he may not be the owner of Haymon Sports forever (or w/e new name they take on if/when they get bought out) I think Haymon will remain in the sport managing/advising boxers.

I actually think Haymon focusing on boxers & letting someone else focus on all the TV dates, long term deals & promotion of the sport is better left in someone elses hand any damn way. The biggest problems I have & have had with Haymon is PBC always seems sorta aimless with its overall goals with fighters & there is lil narrative to their paths. Every fight that pops up seems to just legit pop up if that makes any sense.

I do think they've been doing better as of late with that doe.

WME buying out the PBC pretty much allows them to dictate the terms in their next network deal they get and the structure of the company. And I bet we will be then seeing monthly PPVs with them in charge.

Idk if monthly PPV's are a great idea, but maybe there is more money to be made in PPV with Canelo gone off of PPV.

I think that'd have to be a joint decision with their TV partners anyway so I doubt it'd happen cuz do monthly PPV's make sense for Showtime & Fox? If they are the right fights maybe, but they'd have to be the right fights & with how PBC operates & with how Haymon steers guys it'd seem like a hell of a leap of faith to expect monthly PPV fights to be doable.

Even the UFC has been steering away from monthly PPV's after doing them for over a decade I believe.

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Idk enough about what % of Haymon Sports W&R own or don't own to comment too much on that. My assumption would be that Haymon could sell his portion of Haymon Sports as he sees fit, but perhaps something in his agreement with W&R prevents that. Lotsa speculating one could do on that with few legit facts to go with.

I would suspect that if a buyer came on the scene he'd wanna buy 100% of Haymon Sports so they'd wanna buy Haymon's %, W&R's % & anyone else who maybe a partial owner for that matter.



Where are Glaser's comments btw? Can you link me or c/p here?

I'd be surprised if Haymon is completely out if this is a legit thing or if it were to be legit at some future date with another buyer. I think Haymon has a genuine love of boxing & specifically boxers & while he may not be the owner of Haymon Sports forever (or w/e new name they take on if/when they get bought out) I think Haymon will remain in the sport managing/advising boxers.

I actually think Haymon focusing on boxers & letting someone else focus on all the TV dates, long term deals & promotion of the sport is better left in someone elses hand any damn way. The biggest problems I have & have had with Haymon is PBC always seems sorta aimless with its overall goals with fighters & there is lil narrative to their paths. Every fight that pops up seems to just legit pop up if that makes any sense.

I do think they've been doing better as of late with that doe.



Idk if monthly PPV's are a great idea, but maybe there is more money to be made in PPV with Canelo gone off of PPV.

I think that'd have to be a joint decision with their TV partners anyway so I doubt it'd happen cuz do monthly PPV's make sense for Showtime & Fox? If they are the right fights maybe, but they'd have to be the right fights & with how PBC operates & with how Haymon steers guys it'd seem like a hell of a leap of faith to expect monthly PPV fights to be doable.

Even the UFC has been steering away from monthly PPV's after doing them for over a decade I believe.

Here is Glaser's post:

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Here is Glaser's post:

Interesting.

I'd be curious what % of Haymon Sports W&R own to be able to push this much with success IF this is true.

Between the most notable guys being Kim & now Glaser commenting on this I don't have supreme confidence any of this is 5% true yet, but I do find the speculation on a sale interesting cuz I think PBC needs something that it doesn't currently have & sale could help provide that.

And honestly I don't hate Dana as the frontman as awkward as they'd be for many boxing fans. PBC has needed a frontman since 2015. Dana can f#cking talk like few others. And PBC needs more of a steer into promotion. It gots the talent. It gots the fights. It doesn't got anyone with skin in the game pushing the product. Haymon is too behind the scenes & he hasn't dictated a guy in a position who represents PBC in any tangible way.

Tim Smith is great & I dig him, but he's the PBC communications guy who's never out in the f#cking media like you'd expect a guy like that to be. Eddie speaks more to the media on his off day than Smith does. And Sam Watson is maybe the closest thing PBC has to a frontman & he just walks guys to the ring & seems more like a fan of PBC & Haymon than a guy who works for Haymon/PBC.

And if the Zuffa is looking to get into boxing, like they keep saying, with all the players in it right now idk how they do it without buying out someone or just being a club show level ent%ty. And if you are buying then who else would you talk to except PBC?

[rwyatt05]

Saw Glaser’s post. What did Steve Kim say?

[rwyatt05]

I don’t see any comments from Steve Kim.