Why do people pretend like Tyson Fury didn't clearly beat Deontay Wilder?

[Larry the boss]

probably because of this

[Larry the boss]

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neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns

[daggum]

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neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns

compubox is not accurate but even those stats clearly show fury getting hte better of it, but you just throw them out because they didn't land much? is there a total number of punches that must be landed so compubox kicks in? so if they each landed 50 percent more and fury maintained his same percentile dominance then they would count? its the same thing...

[Real King Kong]

im arguing with a guy that said "i dunno why you are concerned with other peoples opinions" as he replies to/quotes me on a boxing forum.....so i guess ur right im the idiot because someone who cant understand why were all here isnt someone who deserves my attention in the first place

Lol...way to swerve. I meant why are you so concerned with opinions of those you call idiots? you’ve fabricated an entire argument just to combat an imaginary narrative of said idiots.

[Real King Kong]

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neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns

It’s true, but I bet you have a hard time finding more than 4 rounds to give to wilder. You know he was getting out boxed for the majority of the fight. Wilder just about pulled it out with a hail mary, but fury beat the count. It can be considered close, but not “it could go either way” close imo.

[leeroy84]

A Wilder fan once said this to me in a youtube comment.... and i quote (copied and pasted directly) "no fighter gets a draw when he gets kicked down twice in the championship rounds..I guess you forgot about those rules"

this is the problem we have.

we are arguing with people who don't know sheet about boxing.

[Larry the boss]

compubox is not accurate but even those stats clearly show fury getting hte better of it, but you just throw them out because they didn't land much? is there a total number of punches that must be landed so compubox kicks in? so if they each landed 50 percent more and fury maintained his same percentile dominance then they would count? its the same thing...

It’s true, but I bet you have a hard time finding more than 4 rounds to give to wilder. You know he was getting out boxed for the majority of the fight. Wilder just about pulled it out with a hail mary, but fury beat the count. It can be considered close, but not “it could go either way” close imo.

i think Fury outboxed him, just answering the question asked by OP

[lfc19titles]

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neither landed much in that fight, but Wilder got 2 knockdowns

You can’t just overall punches

To put it into context

Fury out landed wilder on 9 of those rounds

Wilder landed more on the knockdown rounds and a couple others

We all know fury won, heck I bet the average score from experts and media would call it the same without even looking it up

[Combat Talk Radio]

Stop embarrassing yourself. Why would Wilder get extra points for his two KDs? You can only get 10 maximum points in a round period.

So you had it 10 rounds to 2 Fury.

If there were no KDs then the score would be 118-110. But since Fury got dropped twice, he loses two points and it becomes 116-110.

It's you that needs to "stay with me here."

I said EQUIVALENT rounds. Do you know what that means?

It means, if we were talking rounds going by points, regardless of knockdown or straight round wins, you get 10 points for rounds you win.

Wilder got two of those. Period. It's not debatable.

However, if you understand that you're giving a point for every round won, he got two knockdowns. Two EQUIVALENT rounds. In other words it offsets rounds he lost when you consider point total.

10 rounds minus 2 = 8 (116).
2 rounds plus 2 = 4 (112).

This model is used when you're trying to wrap your head around how it's even remotely possible for cats like you to have it close, by treating the losing fighter like a failing school student : give some extra credit even though they got an F to see if it MAYBE raises you to a D, because it's the only possible answer.

Here, even extra credit doesn't help Wilder. It simply was not close.

[KTFOKING]

I said EQUIVALENT rounds. Do you know what that means?

It means, if we were talking rounds going by points, regardless of knockdown or straight round wins, you get 10 points for rounds you win.

Wilder got two of those. Period. It's not debatable.

However, if you understand that you're giving a point for every round won, he got two knockdowns. Two EQUIVALENT rounds. In other words it offsets rounds he lost when you consider point total.

10 rounds minus 2 = 8 (116).
2 rounds plus 2 = 4 (112).

This model is used when you're trying to wrap your head around how it's even remotely possible for cats like you to have it close, by treating the losing fighter like a failing school student : give some extra credit even though they got an F to see if it MAYBE raises you to a D, because it's the only possible answer.

Here, even extra credit doesn't help Wilder. It simply was not close.

Why are you giving extra points to the fighter scoring a KD though? Like stop making it harder than it is. You can't get more than 10 points for a single round. There is nothing "equivalent" of a fighter scoring two KDs equaling winning four rounds.

If you had him only winning two rounds, then Fury wins 116-110 end of discussion.

I had Fury winning, never said Wilder won. Those KD rounds definitely tighten up the scorecards. When fighters are landing only 5 or 6 punches a round, you will have some close rounds.