If Pacquiao beats Thurman he has to rank over Floyd historically

[pasawayako]

simple facts:

Pac
61 wins
FOTD
3x FOY
8 div champ
5 div lineal champ

floyd
50 wins
FOTD nominee
2x FOY
5 division champ
3 division champ

Numbers don't lie.

[The Big Dunn]

simple facts:

Pac
61 wins
FOTD
3x FOY
8 div champ
5 div lineal champ

floyd
50 wins
FOTD nominee
2x FOY
5 division champ
3 division champ

Numbers don't lie.

Count the losses as well if numbers don’t lie.

[pasawayako]

Count the losses as well if numbers don’t lie.

pac
7 L 4 robbery

floyd
0 L 4 gift wins

[hugh grant]

But let’s take personal bias out of this and just go with the unbiased polls. Manny cant have a stronger resume because he has losses on it. You want to not count the losses and that isn’t possible.

The loss to morales and the loss to jmm put manny behind Floyd. The loss to Floyd forever puts manny behind him if you are being fair and unbiased. Then there are the other losses and draws. That is his resume. You can’t change it or on pick the good points.

Morales and jmm beat pac, but Floyd hasn't fought Morales so how does that make Pac not as good as Floyd when floyds not proven he can beat morales. In fact Floyd has never beaten anyone Pac has lost to. Not a Morales or a Bradley or Horn. Jmm don't count as he cheated scales and even Floyd s biggest diehards can't condone Floyd bloating jmm 2 divisions so wouldn't be a fight most would boast about. And Pac beat jmm before floyd. But we know Big Dunn got no shame.

Floyd never fought outside country or overcame any kind of advercity, a thing Floyd fans try ignore. But unbiased people who don't think floyds the best of era won't ignore it. And there we have Floyd fans saying Pac s losses are ignored? Floyd s fans ignore every critiscm of floyd. They ignore CW, bloating fighters up 2 divisions, not fighting outside backyard even once act etc. Ignore loss to castillo and made Maidana look an ATG who'd Pac would have koed. They ignore it all.

All Floyd fans can say about Floyd not fighting in someone's backyard is along lines of Floyd is the A side, the most money is in america? Well, that's all well and good for your bank balance but at the expense of legacy in afraid.
Floyd is the American even ottke.
Pac s the best of era unquestionably. Candidate for FOTD unprecedented 2 times. Floyd not even FOTD once. What's he done since 2010 that's going to change that? Not a lot

[CHOWWOKKA]

Don’t lies. Every single poll of unbiased media and historians have Floyd ahead of manny.

How could manny have beaten better versions when Floyd fought odh, Mosley and hatton before manny did? Floyd has the 2 best wins of all the wins of both fighters. How can you post the morales wins! Manny couldn’t beat morales until Raheem destroyed him and morales was coming down in weight.

But let’s take personal bias out of this and just go with the unbiased polls. Manny cant have a stronger resume because he has losses on it. You want to not count the losses and that isn’t possible.

The loss to morales and the loss to jmm put manny behind Floyd. The loss to Floyd forever puts manny behind him if you are being fair and unbiased. Then there are the other losses and draws. That is his resume. You can’t change it or on pick the good points.

Dont bother arguing with a fool who is so in love with Manny he claims that Keith Thurman is the best ww out right now just to attempt to inflate Pacquiaos resume.

[blue_dolphin]

beating Thurman would be fckn impressive for the senile Pacquiao.

[The Big Dunn]

Morales and jmm beat pac, but Floyd hasn't fought Morales so how does that make Pac not as good as Floyd when floyds not proven he can beat morales. In fact Floyd has never beaten anyone Pac has lost to. Not a Morales or a Bradley or Horn. Jmm don't count as he cheated scales and even Floyd s biggest diehards can't condone Floyd bloating jmm 2 divisions so wouldn't be a fight most would boast about. And Pac beat jmm before floyd. But we know Big Dunn got no shame.

Floyd never fought outside country or overcame any kind of advercity, a thing Floyd fans try ignore. But unbiased people who don't think floyds the best of era won't ignore it. And there we have Floyd fans saying Pac s losses are ignored? Floyd s fans ignore every critiscm of floyd. They ignore CW, bloating fighters up 2 divisions, not fighting outside backyard even once act etc. Ignore loss to castillo and made Maidana look an ATG who'd Pac would have koed. They ignore it all.

All Floyd fans can say about Floyd not fighting in someone's backyard is along lines of Floyd is the A side, the most money is in america? Well, that's all well and good for your bank balance but at the expense of legacy in afraid.
Floyd is the American even ottke.
Pac s the best of era unquestionably. Candidate for FOTD unprecedented 2 times. Floyd not even FOTD once. What's he done since 2010 that's going to change that? Not a lot

See what I mean. You literally contradict your own point then gerrymander Floyd beating jmm. Unbiased rational people don’t do that. You are going out of your way to create bogus self serving measures in a desperate attempt to make Manny better. That is insane.

Fight in someone else backyard is a dumb point. Like saying Jordan or magic didn’t win titles in the euro league. Manny came here because the money was here. In no way does not fighting outside the USA hurt Floyd’s legacy. As for adversity, round 2 against Shane, Castillo 1, Maidana 1- floyd overcame adversity and won.

If Floyd is the USA otke then manny can’t be that great because he lost to floyd by a wide margin.

Floyd has the 2 best wins of the decade- total domination of manny and Canelo. Manny has no chance at FOTD this decade. As I said before manny’s FOTD award is the equivalent of Karl Malone’s mvp awards- just like Jordan was always better and proved it floyd was always better and proved it. The voters got cute because they penalized both Floyd and Jordan because they “retired”. They all look dumb in retrospect for both .

Notice that no Floyd fan ever has to make a thread like this but you and other manny fans keep making them whenever manny has a fight coming up. Just like Tom Brady fans don’t have to make breads about Peyton Manning. You wouldn’t make the threads or posts if you didn’t feel inferior.

[The Big Dunn]

pac
7 L 4 robbery

floyd
0 L 4 gift wins

See you can’t be unbiased and objective. Many people thought manny lost all 4 to jmm. Media had him losing the 2nd and 3rd fights. Do you call those gift wins for manny?

The losses count. Manny’s wins don’t erase the losses from his resume. That is why he is always well behind Floyd in every ranking of ATG boxers.

[hugh grant]

See what I mean. You literally contradict your own point then gerrymander Floyd beating jmm. Unbiased rational people don’t do that. You are going out of your way to create bogus self serving measures in a desperate attempt to make Manny better. That is insane.

Fight in someone else backyard is a dumb point. Like saying Jordan or magic didn’t win titles in the euro league. Manny came here because the money was here. In no way does not fighting outside the USA hurt Floyd’s legacy. As for adversity, round 2 against Shane, Castillo 1, Maidana 1- floyd overcame adversity and won.

If Floyd is the USA otke then manny can’t be that great because he lost to floyd by a wide margin.

Floyd has the 2 best wins of the decade- total domination of manny and Canelo. Manny has no chance at FOTD this decade. As I said before manny’s FOTD award is the equivalent of Karl Malone’s mvp awards- just like Jordan was always better and proved it floyd was always better and proved it. The voters got cute because they penalized both Floyd and Jordan because they “retired”. They all look dumb in retrospect for both .

Notice that no Floyd fan ever has to make a thread like this but you and other manny fans keep making them whenever manny has a fight coming up. Just like Tom Brady fans don’t have to make breads about Peyton Manning. You wouldn’t make the threads or posts if you didn’t feel inferior.

Fighting in someone's backyard is high on many unbiased boxing fans list of criteria for greatness. Convenient for you to not place importance on it because Floyd never did it.
Jmm win over pac is better than floyds win. Many think Pac beat floyd anyway. You put importance in people thinking jmm beat pac. On top of that the people who think Floyd beat pac think it was a stinker of a win.. Hardly impressive and certainly no reason anyone would place Floyd above pac. Floyd s below Pac for same reason jmm is.
No proof in 3 fights with pac and Floyd, Pac wouldn't win 2 out of 3. Floyd takes money and runs. Nobody thinks Floyd would beat Nell a second time and Floyd s in no rush to prove otherwise. If turpin didn't give srr a rematch turpin wouldn't be considered greater.
Bert sugar had Pac top twenty after he beat cotto. Not sure where he had Floyd but doubt it was higher

[The Big Dunn]

Fighting in someone's backyard is high on many unbiased boxing fans list of criteria for greatness. Convenient for you to not place importance on it because Floyd never did it.
Jmm win over pac is better than floyds win. Many think Pac beat floyd anyway. You put importance in people thinking jmm beat pac. On top of that the people who think Floyd beat pac think it was a stinker of a win.. Hardly impressive and certainly no reason anyone would place Floyd above pac. Floyd s below Pac for same reason jmm is.
No proof in 3 fights with pac and Floyd, Pac wouldn't win 2 out of 3. Floyd takes money and runs. Nobody thinks Floyd would beat Nell a second time and Floyd s in no rush to prove otherwise. If turpin didn't give srr a rematch turpin wouldn't be considered greater.
Bert sugar had Pac top twenty after he beat cotto. Not sure where he had Floyd but doubt it was higher

No it isn’t. Most American fighters fights outside of their home state. They don’t fight outside the country because there is more money to be made here. the judges travel around the world and the rings are roughly the same size. If you don’t want the big bucks don’t come to America.

No one credibly thinks manny beat Floyd. The only way you can make manny better is lie or make up unprovable theories about 2 out 3. Insane.

Floyd is ranked higher. You know he had floyd higher but you lie to try and make a point. If you really thought manny was better you wouldn’t make up gerrymandered criteria. You’d just go with resume.

Manny will just never be ranked ahead of Floyd in any ATG poll because he lost to far inferior fighters while Floyd hasn’t , doesn’t have a win better than Floyd’s best 2 wins, and because Floyd beat him head up.

You can lie and play dumb but you can’t change historical facts no matter how hard you try. Just be satisfied your favorite fighter is #2 in his era. I wonder if they had another poll of fair and unbiased media and historians would manny even be ahead of bhop.