If Pacquiao beats Thurman he has to rank over Floyd historically

[hugh grant]

I didn’t mention anything about his undefeated record. I just posted that losses need to be factored in. The losses take away the same way the wins add.

Beating Barrera is great, beating hatton is good, losing to Horn and others not so much. Manny also lost to the best guy he faced. That matters.

Only manny fans want losses not to count when assessing manny’s career but when it’s anyone else you want the losses to count.

Losses count less than Floyd fans think. Unbeaten records are treated with su****ion. There are literally hundreds of reasons why a fighter would be unbeaten and skill and ability is lower down.on.list why.
Was it home advantage? Was it draining opponent? Was it opponent wasn't in.prime or had off night? Was you given gift decisions? Was it because you didn't choose toughest opponent available? Maybe you didn't take eno ugh.risks, always gettting things in favour.
Let's face it, very few people think a fighter is unbeaten because they were too good or best of era. People just want to know why and there's countless reasons people will be thinking of like I've just mentioned. An.Unbeaten record isn't an entitlement to anything other than your own ego.

An unbeaten record wasn't a factor in whether Floyd was FOTD so why would it suddenly be an issue when best of era is decided? Pac s a candidate for being Fot d an unprecedented 2 times.
These are the stats that people give a damn about.

[The Big Dunn]

Losses count less than floyd fans think. Ok what about non Floyd fans that are unbiased and rational?

They always rank Floyd well ahead of manny so why do they count losses but manny fans like you want them ignored?

[pasawayako]

It helps his cause but falls short of the phenominal accomplishment of going 50-0 against Quality Prime Grade A competition. It was no walk in the park for Floyd(Well, actually for him it was) It was easy from a viewers point of view but get in there and accomplish what he did.

menayothin is 51-0 going to 52-0.

[ShoulderRoll]

menayothin is 51-0 going to 52-0.

Against quality prime Grade A competition?

[IceTrayDaGang]

No it doesn’t. That is shoulder Rolls opinion. While I respect him and it a great deal many disagree with him and think horn won. Horn got the official verdict.

Manny fans can’t just go with opinion only when it helps you. If that’s the case many feel he lost all 4 to jmm. You can’t pick and choose when you go with opinions when you go with official results

but you also thought manny won?? LOL!!! you dont ever get tired of getting exposed brah? lol

Come jb. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all is good.

I thought Manny won a close one and said so as I was scoring in the rbr stickied thread. I did think it was close and could see the 115-113 score for horn even though I had Manny winning. The 117-11 score was criminal

[hugh grant]

Losses count less than floyd fans think. Ok what about non Floyd fans that are unbiased and rational?

They always rank Floyd well ahead of manny so why do they count losses but manny fans like you want them ignored?

No, I don't believe unbiased, non Floyd fans rank Floyd above pac.
Non stop boxing poll had Pac well ahead of floyd. Do you really believe poll was biased against floyd?
I don't think the poll was far from truth and is general consensus across board. Any poll on any boxing forum anywhere in world would come up with similar result.
What evidence do you have that that they are biased?

[The Big Dunn]

No, I don't believe unbiased, non Floyd fans rank Floyd above pac.
Non stop boxing poll had Pac well ahead of floyd. Do you really believe poll was biased against floyd?
I don't think the poll was far from truth and is general consensus across board. Any poll on any boxing forum anywhere in world would come up with similar result.
What evidence do you have that that they are biased?

Every unbiased poll of media meme era has floyd ranked ahead of Manny. Nsb polls of course are biased. The same people voting Manny ahead if floyd votes for torrecampo to beat Floyd head to head. So clearly they are neither rational or unbiased.

So is ask again- in every unbiased poll of media members and historians ranking ATG fighters has floyd ahead of manny. They clearly factor is losses. Why don’t manny fans want to count losses?

Just isn’t logical. Losing has as much an impact on greatness as winning does if you are being fair.

[The Big Dunn]

but you also thought manny won?? LOL!!! you dont ever get tired of getting exposed brah? lol

I think we should go with the actual outcome rather than our opinion. I think manny beat horn but I think jmm beat manny 3 times. So if you want me to go with my opinion here then if I do it every time then you’d get upset and say I’m not being fair.

[hugh grant]

They clearly factor is losses. Why don’t manny fans want to count losses?

Just isn’t logical. Losing has as much an impact on greatness as winning does if you are being fair.

People don't think Floyd has taken the kind of risks Pac has, so why would people downgrade Pac because of losses?
If Floyd fought outside country 10 times in his career he'd have lost 10 times and You can't prove anyone wrong. If he went for 8 titles in 8 divisions he'd have a few more losses. If he had 70 fights under belt he'd been robbed a few times as well as well as legitimately lost a few more.
Time to stop begging people to downgrade Pac for his losses. People will downgrade Floyd for his cw against Nell and ducking thurman for berto! Try beat Nel o now, why boast about beating a green Nell with a cw, basically the weakest version of nelo.
Pac beat jmm 3 times, it doesn't matter how close they were. That makes Pac s career greater

[The Big Dunn]

People don't think Floyd has taken the kind of risks Pac has, so why would people downgrade Pac because of losses?
If Floyd fought outside country 10 times in his career he'd have lost 10 times and You can't prove anyone wrong. If he went for 8 titles in 8 divisions he'd have a few more losses. If he had 70 fights under belt he'd been robbed a few times as well as well as legitimately lost a few more.
Time to stop begging people to downgrade Pac for his losses.
Pac beat jmm 3 times, it doesn't matter how close they were. That makes Pac s career greater

You keep avoiding the point. There is no unbiased fair poll that has manny ahead of Floyd. None. People with an agenda have manny ahead of Floyd out of either stubborn nationalism or hatred for Floyd. Cool but none of you are considered credible posters. I have biases as well. So I do my best to keep them out and go to independent sources without my biases.

The only reason you won’t do that is because you know manny always comes up behind Floyd. Shows what type of fan poster you are. Sad but hey it’s the internet so you can make up whatever you want.