Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez is an Excellent Fighter... But Not The Best

[10,000 Days]

What about grj??? He's considered the best in his division and Loma fought him in his 3rd fight after coming off a loss. Who was canelos 3rd fight with??

Loma had 300 amateur fights worth of experience. Canelo turned pro at 15 years old. Not really comparable.

[bigdunny1]

the truth hurts canelistas, the guy doesnt show domination vs top level fights. he squeaks by and some cards are shady as fudge

Umm Manny Pacquiao... many feel he didn't win any of his fights with Marquez, lost to Morales needed 3 fights to prove he was better, needed 4 fights with Marquez, needed 3 fights with Bradley, I can go on and on. But back then Manny was ranked top in p4p despite losses despite questionable decisions and close fights and the argument was he is fighting the best so you have to appreciate what he is doing instead of other guys with flawless records but not fighting the same level of competition. Now that criteria to take away from Floyd fighter of the decade all a sudden means nothing? And the basis for man being top on P4p lists and winning fighter of the decade means nothing...when the writers hate you they make up shyt on the fly to discredit and take shine off your acheivements. Canelo should be number 1 and would be in any other sport but this crab in a barrel hating azzz media that don't hide their bias.

[Joe shmo]

Idk what it is with canelo and aj fans, but the slightest little thing someone says against them and their cheerleaders are in here crying. 1 dude had a full page of just his posts ranting about how canelo is the greatest thing since sliced bread and how the how world is secretly against Mexicans and this article proves it. At least I can laugh a little before work I guess... Lol

[bigdunny1]

So the article writer holds up Canelo's resume and tears it apart and then holds up two fighters that have far inferior resumes as being better. Article writer is a moron. Who you beat >>>>> looking good against B and C competition.

Bingo and its the same damn writers that sad the phuking opposite for years to tear apart Floyd. Same writers who controversially voted Manny ahead of Floyd for fighter of the decade despite losses and looking less dominate in his wins. They said we put him ahead of Floyd because of who he beat regardless if it was close or controversial we think that level of competition was better to overcome Floyd never losing but being more dominate lesser opponents. That's what they said. And this is even if you buy Floyd fought less competition nonsense but thats not the point here canelo definitely has fought better and beaten better fighters but they have totally flip floped their stance for ranking fighters now. By this logic it is imposssible to have Manny as fighter of the decade. You see these frauds pick and choose and make up double standards to bash 1 fighter and can't even stay consistent proven it's out of hatred and bias.

[bigdunny1]

To quote the great Michael Rosenthal flip flopping bytch azzz himself

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270734

Manny Pacquiao is indeed the “Greatest Fighter of the Decade” and no less than the “Bible of Boxing” has confirmed this.

The Ring Magazine has ranked Pacquiao as the greatest in 2000s, placing him among the best fighters in the past 10 decades including “Hammerin’” Henry Armstrong, “Sugar” Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali and “Sugar” Ray Leonard.

The “Greatest” list was compiled by Ring Magazine’s Michael Rosenthal, who ranked former top pound-for-pound fighter Floyd Mayweather Jr. as a mere second placer.

“Sorry Floyd but you need to fight the best to be the best,” Rosenthal said in his accompanying comment.

Apart from being named as this decade’s greatest, Pacquiao already held Ring Magazine titles for featherweight and super featherweight divisions.

After beating British superstar Ricky Hatton on May 2, Pacquiao went home with the International Boxing Organization (IBO) title plus another Ring Magazine crown in the welterweight division.

He is also the first boxer to win the lineal championship ("the man who beat the man") in four different weight classes.

Before winning the IBO title, Pacquiao has won the World Boxing Council lightweight, WBC super featherweight, IBF super bantamweight, and WBC flyweight titles.

The ‘Greatest’ returns home

Pacquiao has finally arrived home in his native General Santos City after a day of celebration in Manila.

The People’s Champ went around General Santos to greet thousands of his supporters who lined up the streets despite the rains.

Pacquiao was accompanied by his mother Nanay Dionesia, who will be celebrating her birthday on Friday.

After touring around General Santos, the boxer went to his “second home” in Sarangani, where he is reportedly planning to run for congressman in 2010.

“Symbolic” title

Malacañang, meanwhile, clarified that the title “Envoy for Peace and Understanding” accorded to Pacquiao is merely symbolical.

Press Secretary Cerge Remonde said that the title does not mean that Pacquiao will be joining the government’s peace negotiating panel with the insurgents.

“Pacquiao will be more of a symbol. You can't expect him to conduct key negotiations. At most he is a rallying point for national unity,” said Remonde.

The Palace also distanced itself from Pacquiao’s political ambitions.

“The political plans of Manny Pacquiao are not sure. When he arrived I understand he mentioned a change of heart. We can't speak for him,” said Remonde.

[Lomasexual]

Lomachencko’s fans seem to do a pretty good job of ignoring that he lost to Salido and was dropped by Linares. Neither of which would be in the top five(possibly top ten) of Canelo’s career opponents.

Loma fans don't ignore the loss to Salido - they just have it in its correct context.

Basically it means absolutely nothing about how good Loma is today.

Just like (and as I mentioned above) Canelo's loss to Mayweather means nothing today.

Anyone with a knowledge of boxing history can see this easily enough. While some great boxers never taste defeat, many others do - and go on to much, much bigger things.

When people try to mention the Salido fight as it relates to Loma today, it only really shows their agenda, and lack of boxing insight.

The Linares knockdown is more relevant, because it is much more recent. There is only one actual take away from that knock down though, and that is that Loma can get over-confident and then he can get tagged if he does get over-confident.

Over confidence is absolutely a flaw. One which Loma may be susceptible to since he is clearly the most skillful fighter on the planet. However, he seems to have learned his lesson. Even in the same fight he stopped messing around, got down to business, and won by stoppage despite having a major injury.

A flash knockdown, caused by overconfidence, doesn't do anything to reduce his skillset - not unless it seemed like he was prone to silliness. A pattern of brain-farts would be worrying. On the contrary, he seems to be a quick learner, and it would be surprising if he got caught the same way again.

Unless you really think it is likely that Loma will repeat that same mistake, then why would it be an issue? It's not like he has a huge technical flaw in his fighting which was exposed. Why would it be troubling at all?

I think most Loma fans are just realists. Salido is irrelevant, and the Linares knock-down was the result of disrespecting an opponent, not a technical deficit.

If I was to see Loma get tagged again through over-confidence, then I might begin to worry about it becoming an actual flaw in his fighting.

I'm happy to amend my original statement though. Loma would beat Canelo, in the P4P sense, without dropping a round, unless he somehow failed to learn from the Linares fight, left himself open through over-confidence again, and got tagged. In which case he would lose one round.

[Joe shmo]

Loma had 300 amateur fights worth of experience. Canelo turned pro at 15 years old. Not really comparable.

Why not??? Amateurs are completely different from pros, that's y he lost to salido. He fought the dirtiest fighter in the sport in his second fight after being used to fighting for points in headgear and paid for it. But he came back and challenged the division best his next fight. Who was canelos fight after Mayweather? Plus Canelo had amateur fights, even won some medals. Canelo chose when to turn pro, he couldve had more amateur fights if he wanted. Don't use that as an excuse. I give canelo props for always being willing to fight the best but I personally don't have him as p4p #1. Honestly I don't think anyone who tests dirty should even b considered.

[Lomasexual]

Fact: canelo has better career, better wins, and better skills.

A lot of people is saying he is the best.

Thats the reason that this bi.tch that works with Top Rank and was Fired by the ring is saying this.

Fact: salido is the daddy of Loma

Unbiased fact: Loma is more skilled that Canelo will ever be. In the P4P sense, he would not lose a single round to Canelo.

Unbiased fact: Canelo is great, but has so many question marks and asterisks over his resume and career, that people can't shoehorn him into #1 P4P just because they like his nationality or ethnicity.

[Robbie Barrett]

Unbiased fact: Loma is more skilled that Canelo will ever be. In the P4P sense, he would not lose a single round to Canelo.

Unbiased fact: Canelo is great, but has so many question marks and asterisks over his resume and career, that people can't shoehorn him into #1 P4P just because they like his nationality or ethnicity.

Look up what the definition of fact is. Opinion isn't fact. Canelo also looks great against B and C level comp and he didn't lose to one.

[Joe shmo]

Age is more pertinent in that comparison than how many fights they had. Canelos been fighting pro grown men since age 15. Loma went pro in mid 20s so of course he started vs tougher opponents,hes a 2x gold 🥇🥇medalist ffs.

Loma had no business ever fighting anyone below natural 130 lbers just as canelo had no business fighting ww's,Lomas an excellent fighter as is Crawford,but its absolutely laughable to act like Canelos resume is inferior like this writer tries to. I can see someone saying they're above canelo because of the eyeball test,but to act like he doesn't have the current best wins in boxing is a joke. Even still the eyeball test being main basis of ranking him below p4p#1 is like these writers moving the goalposts as they go along to facilitate bias.

I DO give loma credit for all his wins & those were solid wins for him at that stage,but to compare them to beating or even fighting guys like Lara/Trout/Ggg/Jacobs is disengenious at best, because lomas & esp.crawfords best wins warent truly proven vs anyone elite,they were solid wins on the level of other beltholders who hadn't truly broken out yet.

That's ur opinion and that's fine. I don't agree but I gotta leave to go to work so I can't debate with u anymore. I will leave u with this tho. How many of those fights u named with canelo where controversial decisions? How many of Lomas fights against grj, rigo, Linares, pedraza were controversial? And finally, I know ur an aj fan and have seen u complaining about Miller popping dirty, so do u think that canelo who also popped dirty twice should even b considered? Would u consider Miller if he came back and dominated the hw division, or would u forever look at him as a Ped cheat? Hopefully u don't have double standards