Comments Thread For: Hearn: If Luis Ortiz Wants Joshua Next - He Can Have It Next!

[BOXING-SCRIBE]

You are a dreamer my friend. I won’t disturb your slumber.

Proof is in the resume and the DAZN curtain

[BOXING-SCRIBE]

ortiz is an undercard fighter whose career high is 500k. he was offered 14 times that much. fail

Fake News by a full time poster with part time credentials. Ortiz is an Olympian like the sugar fed Aj. Fought Wilder who is better than Aj, not technically, but were it matters. Resume. 7 mil is not only FAKE NEWS but it also a low ball offer

[DougalDylan]

There's more weirdness going on here cuz there was never a $5M offer, but Ortiz &/or people on Ortiz's team thought or claimed there was.

I'd still love to see Eddie show the emails to clear up who was in this conversation & who wasn't & what did Ortiz actually know or didn't know.

The way things work the only person who definitely knew the exact deal was Eddie & Jorge, the promoter. Eddie says Jay was in on it to. But for some reason Ortiz is thinking its $5M instead of $7M. That tells me the promoter is taking $2M off the top & they didn't tell Ortiz the whole deal or they were all teamed up to legit make a play to get more.

The way Jay, Ortiz's manager flipped & was trying to hard to turn back time to the deal being play post Eddie coming out with details makes me think Jay was begging to keep his job with Ortiz for not telling Ortiz the whole story more than Ortiz actually was in on the milking of how much they wanted from Eddie.

But who f#cking knows. I just tend to think a 40 something mfer on borrowed time in the game with a daughter with medical issues isn't going to be playing games like a promoter & manager might be with money of this size with no ability to actually have anything guaranteed with Wilder.

Jay Jimminaz Ortiz's manager explained the 5m on TBV basically 7m is what Eddie pays then Ortiz's crooked promoter (30%) etc take their cut LEAVING Ortiz 5m ... make sense. (That's all from Ortiz's camp confirming Hearn so I think we can take that as true)

[DougalDylan]

Fake News by a full time poster with part time credentials. Ortiz is an Olympian like the sugar fed Aj. Fought Wilder who is better than Aj, not technically, but were it matters. Resume. 7 mil is not only FAKE NEWS but it also a low ball offer

Ortizs manager confirmed the 7 million.

Wilder paid him 500K last time.

[DougalDylan]

He never offered that much.
FakeNews
Aj vs Klit grossed around 65 mil, Klit and joshua got 13 mil. Klit was the A side for that fight. In terms of revenue Ortiz may not be worth 13 mil, but talent wise he is.

You can't argue this as Wilder paid Ortiz only 500K . He didn't pay Fury 50:50 etc etc etc etc

[Eff Pandas]

There's more weirdness going on here cuz there was never a $5M offer, but Ortiz &/or people on Ortiz's team thought or claimed there was.

I'd still love to see Eddie show the emails to clear up who was in this conversation & who wasn't & what did Ortiz actually know or didn't know.

The way things work the only person who definitely knew the exact deal was Eddie & Jorge, the promoter. Eddie says Jay was in on it to. But for some reason Ortiz is thinking its $5M instead of $7M. That tells me the promoter is taking $2M off the top & they didn't tell Ortiz the whole deal or they were all teamed up to legit make a play to get more. if he doesn't get the Wilder rematch then perhaps Ortiz should hire an attorney and sue both his manager and promoter.

The way Jay, Ortiz's manager flipped & was trying to hard to turn back time to the deal being play post Eddie coming out with details makes me think Jay was begging to keep his job with Ortiz for not telling Ortiz the whole story more than Ortiz actually was in on the milking of how much they wanted from Eddie.

But who f#cking knows. I just tend to think a 40 something mfer on borrowed time in the game with a daughter with medical issues isn't going to be playing games like a promoter & manager might be with money of this size with no ability to actually have anything guaranteed with Wilder.

Why did you add the bolded to my post? I didn't say all that. Looks like thats how you ended your post.

Well actually according to Eddie Hearn the initial offer was for $6mil. Then Matchroom came back with a counter offer of $7mil for Luis Ortiz which his team subsequently turned down.

However, I agree with you. I believe that Jay Jimenez have been holding out on Luis Ortiz. I don't believe that King Kong was privy to any of the talks, conversations or negotiations between his team and Eddie Hearn. He was left completely out of the loop.

It seems to me that Ortiz' Promoter and manager Jay Jimenez deliberately kept King Kong in the dark by providing him with very false and misleading information. If Ortiz doesn't get a substantial offer for this Wilder rematch then he should sue both his manager and promoter.

I think we are in agreement at what could be going on here then.

I don't think you can sue the promoter doe. The promoter is under no obligation to share the full details of the offer at this point in the discussion of the deal. He only gots to disclose it to him at some un-clarified point before the check is written iirc. That promoter who was buttf#cking Algieri was showing him the full deal at the weigh ins, but OnePunch was telling me that isn't a hard deadline on when promoters need to show this to a fighter.

The manager on the otherhand is supposed to be looking out for the best interest of his client & he clearly wasn't doing that if what we think is what actually went down. Thats why the groveling by Jay happened I feel like. He was trying to save his job &/or try to avoid a potential lawsuit for breech of his duties as Ortiz's manager. If this sh^t turns out to be true then Ortiz should 100% drop this mfer & sue him if there is a opportunity to do so.

[Redgloveman]

Proof is in the resume and the DAZN curtain

...ok honey

[15 Rounds again]

Ortiz is fighting Wilder next. AJs options will probably be Whyte or Pulev

True. And the reason they're fighting those guys and not each other?
Wilder wont fight.

[champion4ever]

Why did you add the bolded to my post? I didn't say all that. Looks like thats how you ended your post.



I think we are in agreement at what could be going on here then.

I don't think you can sue the promoter doe. The promoter is under no obligation to share the full details of the offer at this point in the discussion of the deal. He only gots to disclose it to him at some un-clarified point before the check is written iirc. That promoter who was buttf#cking Algieri was showing him the full deal at the weigh ins, but OnePunch was telling me that isn't a hard deadline on when promoters need to show this to a fighter.

The manager on the otherhand is supposed to be looking out for the best interest of his client & he clearly wasn't doing that if what we think is what actually went down. Thats why the groveling by Jay happened I feel like. He was trying to save his job &/or try to avoid a potential lawsuit for breech of his duties as Ortiz's manager. If this sh^t turns out to be true then Ortiz should 100% drop this mfer & sue him if there is a opportunity to do so.

I apologize for the bold I was unaware that I did that and because of it I am sorry. In addition, you are right about the promoter. He can't sue unless the promoter owes him money and judging how the talks fell through; He never received any money from Eddie Hearn to give Luis Ortiz.

Moreover, Ortiz' promoter answers to Jay Jimenez; Luis Ortiz' manager. So it's highly unlikely and doubtful that Jimenez was not privy to the private talks and negotiations between the two teams.

It's more likely than not that Jimenez told Ortiz' promoter what their asking price was. Therefore, I don't believe for a second that Jay was not involved in the conversations at all.

The cynic in me believes that he cut a personal back room deal with either Al Haymon or Stephen Espinoza in order to sabotage the deal. If that was indeed the case then Ortiz should fire Jay Jimenez immediately.

I am with you on this. This sounds very dodgy to me. I believe that Jay is not telling the truth and is only trying to save face with Ortiz in order to save his job.

Moreover, I absolutely agree. I believe that Eddie Hearn should release those e-mails to confirm just how much Ortiz and Jimenez know and when did they know it.

[Eff Pandas]

Moreover, Ortiz' promoter answers to Jay Jimenez; Luis Ortiz' manager. So it's highly unlikely and doubtful that Jimenez was not privy to the private talks and negotiations between the two teams.

I don't believe that to be true in general with most situations. If Jay was privy to the details here seems to be the case from what Eddie is saying doe so its a mute point ultimately to this specific situation.

But from my understanding typically a promoter offering a deal to a fighter with a promoter only needs to discuss that deal with the promoter. The fighters' promoter then shares w/e he wishes with the fighter & his manager & they either agree to the deal the promoter has told them or they don't.

If the relationship with the promoter & the fighter & the manager is good I imagine its not uncommon for the manager &/or the fighter specifically to be included in these discussions, but I tend to doubt its the standard. I definitely suspect a fighter being involved in these discussions is uncommon despite how easily that could make him to being exploited by his own team.

It's more likely than not that Jimenez told Ortiz' promoter what their asking price was. Therefore, I don't believe for a second that Jay was not involved in the conversations at all.

Eddie has already claimed Jay was involved & I believe Jay has stated he was as well or didn't deny he was a part of it so that whole thing seems a fact.

It's just as you've stated; This sounds very dodgy of Jimenez. He is only trying to save face with Ortiz in order to save his job.

Moreover, I absolutely agree. I believe that Eddie Hearn should release those e-mails to confirm just how much Ortiz and Jimenez knows and when did they know it.

You know thinking about this more maybe the reason Eddie isn't releasing them is cuz it will turn into a court case & releasing the details could be problematic for Ortiz's success with the lawsuit. I definitely don't think Eddie is bsing about this like I may feel he, & really any promoter, does from time to time. So if he's not showing this like he was saying he would there has gotta be a reason for it & I don't think the reason he's not releasing these details is cuz they don't exist as some anti-Eddie guys may end up claiming at some point.