Truth of Myth: 'Wilder is avoiding Joshua' ?

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It's public knowledge that you are boxingscene's village idiot!

I understand that you're insulting me personally, but you couldn't refute a single thing I said.

Everyone called me the village idiot when I insisted HBO would leave boxing. I was right.

Everyone called me the village idiot when I insisted PBC would get a network to give them at least 50 million a year when the time buys ended. I was right.

In a village of idiots, the wise man is often treated as the idiot. Nothing new.

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$80million guaranteed for 2 fights is an incredibly good offer, especially considering the kind of money Wilder has been fighting for so far in his career.

If he really intends to fight AJ, he's taking a huge gamble by not doing it now, while the money is there on the table for him. He came very close to losing his last 2 fights, and most people think he should have lost to Fury. That's what makes me suspect that the people pulling his strings don't want him to fight AJ, ever.

He ain't going to make that money no where. He will see first with the Breazele fight. That huge money only will be done against Joshua and second with fury

[Real King Kong]

Wilder's team has made numerous offers, but Hearn has made it clear it's DAZN or no fight.

Fanboys will say, "BUT BUT BUT Hearn said on IFL the fight can be on Showtime if they put up more!"

What promoters say in public and what promoters say in private is often very different.

Put yourself in Hearn's shoes. What would you do? DAZN has an opt out next year. Your DAZN deal was made before the current regime took over. DAZN has Golden Boy now. They don't need Matchroom. Only major fight Matchroom can offer in theory is Joshua vs Wilder. If Joshua vs Wilder goes to PPV, why would DAZN keep paying Matchroom all this money when they've delivered so little?

Numerous offers? The fact is the fight should be made where aj dictates, if wilder doesn’t want to do that, then he doesn’t want the fight. I mean, what do canelo’s opponents need to do to fight him? If they’re riding with dazn, they’re riding with dazn...that’s where the fights have to happen for the time being.

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Numerous offers? The fact is the fight should be made where aj dictates, if wilder doesn’t want to do that, then he doesn’t want the fight. I mean, what do canelo’s opponents need to do to fight him? If they’re riding with dazn, they’re riding with dazn...that’s where the fights have to happen for the time being.

Wilder and Joshua were both with Showtime. Showtime put up the money Joshua asked for. Joshua refuses and moves to DAZN, even though his promoter swears he has no deal with DAZN.

Meanwhile, all Wilder wants is to maximize the pot so both fighters make more.

If Joshua, who doesn't have a deal with DAZN, and had been fighting on Showtime for many fights, refuses to do the fight on PPV, demanding that he and Wilder both make less on DAZN, Wilder has every right to tell him to **** off.

[Real King Kong]

Wilder and Joshua were both with Showtime. Showtime put up the money Joshua asked for. Joshua refuses and moves to DAZN, even though his promoter swears he has no deal with DAZN.

Meanwhile, all Wilder wants is to maximize the pot so both fighters make more.

If Joshua, who doesn't have a deal with DAZN, and had been fighting on Showtime for many fights, refuses to do the fight on PPV, demanding that he and Wilder both make less on DAZN, Wilder has every right to tell him to **** off.

What were the “numerous offers” tho? Admittedly, I haven’t been paying the closest attention, but I don’t recall numerous offers made by wilder’s people. As a matter of fact, in this situation it appears they chose to walk instead of making any kind of offer at all.

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At this level of the game avoiding/ducking isn't even a thing. Its just something fans, usually fanboys, love to claim is happening. At this level of the game where money & marination are legit concerns its a business & things will happen when the dollars make sense to all parties cuz at this level no one is making fear based decisions. Guys at this level are making business based decisions.

I'm with you.. but what more are they marinating? I don't think this fight is gonna get any bigger, hell - fans are losing interest already. But more importantly, IMO there's a legit chance Wilder doesn't make it to Joshua. Ortiz hurt him and Fury embarrassed him. He's a smaller HW who relies on speed, and speed is the first thing to go with age ..and Wilder's 33/34 already.

Breazeale is pretty basic, but I still give him like a 20% chance to upsetting Wilder. Whoever the winter opponent is, he'll also have a decent chance. Applying simple probability , if Wilder fights half-decent opponents and has 80% chance of victory in each of his next fights, he has .8^3 = 51% of making it to Joshua.

The only thing that makes sense is that they needed for Joshua to debut in the US before making that fight, in which case they (Finkle) need to make Wilder-Joshua in Nov-Dec.

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I'm with you.. but what more are they marinating? I don't think this fight is gonna get any bigger, hell - fans are losing interest already.

Disagree. Joshua hasn't even fought in the US yet. Wait til Joshua fights Ruiz & unfortunately probably one more US fight & gets US fans more interested. I don't think US casuals even know who Joshua is yet as crazy as that might sound to most hardcore cats on this forum.

I know almost all casuals I've talked to didn't even know DAZN was a thing pre-Canelo vs Jacobs. Idk if thats changed with last weekend or not, but I'm curious to see how things move from here forth since DAZN has had a major fight now that casuals should be aware of.

But more importantly, IMO there's a legit chance Wilder doesn't make it to Joshua. Ortiz hurt him and Fury embarrassed him. He's a smaller HW who relies on speed, and speed is the first thing to go with age ..and Wilder's 33/34 already.

100% agree with you here. And thats the major dilemma I'd be having if I was on Team Wilder &/or had money in play over Wilder not losing. And thats the gamble.

I don't think Wilder can NOT sign a big deal within the next 12 months (or less) & it not bite him in the ass. And it could bite him in the ass next lol.

Breazeale is pretty basic, but I still give him like a 20% chance to upsetting Wilder. Whoever the winter opponent is, he'll also have a decent chance. Applying simple probability , if Wilder fights half-decent opponents and has 80% chance of victory in each of his next fights, he has .8^3 = 51% of making it to Joshua.

Yea agree with you here too. I mean I try to be a straight shooter in my opinions good or bad about whoever in the moment we are speaking on it. And I got money on Breazeale as we speak cuz there is solid odds on him vs what I think he's real chance to win is. And I believe I even stated on this forum in some other thread a couple weeks back that I had a parlay on Breazeale AND Big Baby winning til things went south on that Big Baby situation that had a nice lil ROI on it. I thought both of those fights were winnable for the B sides.

The only thing that makes sense is that they needed for Joshua to debut in the US before making that fight, in which case they (Finkle) need to make Wilder-Joshua in Nov-Dec.

Yea you can't have this fight be max value til Joshua comes to the US. And like I said I think cuz most see Ruiz as a bs opponent Joshua will likely have to fight a more legit guy before he'll take off as much as he could in the US. So I think Wilder is gonna have to have at least one more fight post-Breazeale. If they are smart they'll go with Kownacki over Ortiz. Ortiz is the bigger threat of the 3 I think even if he's the oldest.

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What were the “numerous offers” tho? Admittedly, I haven’t been paying the closest attention, but I don’t recall numerous offers made by wilder’s people. As a matter of fact, in this situation it appears they chose to walk instead of making any kind of offer at all.

Haymon doesn't talk publicly. He could make 50 offers and if Hearn claims on IFL he hasn't made any offers, that's what fans will believe.

The truth is that Hearn and Finkel/Haymon have had talks off and on for years and continue to have talks now. Hearn has received numerous offers, including a 2 fight 120 million deal to fight Wilder twice on Showtime, as a counter to DAZN's 4 fight 120 million deal for Wilder. Hearn has been very clear. The fight can only happen on DAZN.

Will Hearn say that on IFL? No. Why would he? He can typically lie with impunity. He knows Haymon won't respond. When Espinoza actually posted proof that Hearn was lying about the fight being on Sky, Hearn just plays dumb about the meaning of the word "contract" and all the AJ fans fall for it.

The Wilder side is done with the PR battle. They've accepted AJ's fans will believe anything. So they're going in a different direction for now. Hoping to get a Fury rematch in the first half of next year, and hoping DAZN cancels their Matchroom deal so Joshua might fight Wilder on Showtime PPV at the end of next year.

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He fought Fury. Look how quickly that fight got made with out all the fanfare. The worst thing that happened to that division was that it was a good fight, people want to see it again, it financially did well and now everybody is posturing with their individual promoters because of it.

Fury and Wilder's worth went up and now we are tanked with all this BS. I know they are prize fighters but I hate the promotional greed side of this sport.

you don't even need a professional to make a deal with someone that just came back from a 3yr limbo with the intention of riding on the back of a lineal title.
Are we suppose to give either finkel or Warren a trophy for that? A fight I can make myself considering the situation.

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Wow easily 1.5 million buys?? I'll buy it regardless, but damn that is some expectation to easily hit 1.5m. You lay out a great argument on how PPV would make easily the most money for the fighters (although Id rather have it at $20, I see it from their side)

Why must a fan be campaigning for other fans to pay $90 for ppv just to keep up with a fruitless defense for a fighter that has already come out publicly to say he doesn't want that smoke even for a 50/50 split till further notice when you can have the same fight and more for $20?

This WBC WBA IBF guy's campaign doesn't add up as a fan of the sport. He does everything possible to try to defend wilder, AL, pbc and WBC at all cost even if he looks ****** doing that.

Am beginning to question his mental capacity.