Why are people acting like Mikey Garcia didn't blatantly duck Lomachenko?

[R-Hand Southpaw]

So you agree the fight was never discussed by the two sides?

He would have gotten good money vs Lomachenko anyways. Spence type of money? No, but good nonetheless. And according to both Mikey and Hearn, he had an offer from DAZN to make damn near similar money to what he made against Spence against a much easier opponent. So you can't just say he made the WW jump just for money. He legitimately thought he could out box and out maneuver Spence. Obviously it didn't happen, but an undefeated popular fighter like Mikey who is also on the P4P lists doesn't make that type of jump unless he is confident he can win.

The fight went undiscussed by either side because both guys already had fights lined up. Mikey's the guy who said, if lomachenko wants me I'm at 135.

You guys legit make **** up to fit your agendas.

Mikey turned down fighting Linares, the #2 guy in the division to fight Lipnets, some no name paper champ, so Linares called out Lomachenko and Lomachenko said yes.

Right before the Lomachenko vs Linares, Beltran, the WBO super champ defended his belt against Pedraza with the winner getting a shot at the Lomachenko/Linares winner. The Pedraza/Beltran winner was ALWAYS DESTINED TO BE FED TO LOMA.

Mikey unified against Easter during the time Lomachenko was recovering and literally before Lomachenko fought Pedraza ALREADY AGREED TO TERMS WITH SPENCE.

The fight with Lomachenko could have been made but Mikey wanted none of it. Bob even had conversations with Robert about a fight and Robert HIMSELF preferred to fight Lomachenko. But nah. It's not what Mikey wanted.

Think about this.

Mikey vs Spence announced Nov 13, 2018

Lomachenko vs Pedraza Dec 9, 2018

The only guy who didnt this fight is Mikey. Lomachenko wasnt even at 135 for 6 months before Mikey left the division.

And Mikey can totally make 135. He just likes being fat.

[KTFOKING]

Mike was too busy looking for the perfect excuses to avoid lomachenko to discuss a fight. He prefers to fight in other weight classes than to fit the best guy in his own division. Broner fight = big money fight against a guy who loses to any real top fighter he's fights. Sergei lipinets fight= a belt in another division he didn't care about. Spence fight= big money no loss situation. Now he too fat to make it back down to 135.

Apparently it was a lose-lose situation since now he has dropped some in the P4P rankings and isn't seen as good as he was before the fight. Why is that then?

Find excuses? He was calling for Spence since January of 2018 when he fought Peterson. Lomachenko was not even a LW at that time. The one fight Lomachenko had at 135 was against Linares and he looked far from amazing that fight. No one at that time was saying Mikey is avoiding Lomachenko to fight a monster in Spence. And more importantly, if Lomachenko wanted the fight THAT badly, then why didn't his team make any attempt at making the fight happen? The talks only started after Mikey signed the Spence fight.

[KTFOKING]

The fight went undiscussed by either side because both guys already had fights lined up. Mikey's the guy who said, if lomachenko wants me I'm at 135.

You guys legit make **** up to fit your agendas.

Mikey turned down fighting Linares, the #2 guy in the division to fight Lipnets, some no name paper champ, so Linares called out Lomachenko and Lomachenko said yes.

Right before the Lomachenko vs Linares, Beltran, the WBO super champ defended his belt against Pedraza with the winner getting a shot at the Lomachenko/Linares winner. The Pedraza/Beltran winner was ALWAYS DESTINED TO BE FED TO LOMA.

Mikey unified against Easter during the time Lomachenko was recovering and literally before Lomachenko fought Pedraza ALREADY AGREED TO TERMS WITH SPENCE.

The fight with Lomachenko could have been made but Mikey wanted none of it. Bob even had conversations with Robert about a fight and Robert HIMSELF preferred to fight Lomachenko. But nah. It's not what Mikey wanted.

Think about this.

Mikey vs Spence announced Nov 13, 2018

Lomachenko vs Pedraza Dec 9, 2018

The only guy who didnt this fight is Mikey. Lomachenko wasnt even at 135 for 6 months before Mikey left the division.

And Mikey can totally make 135. He just likes being fat.

Correct, so tell me where Mikey ducked Lomachenko? Tell me where at your timeline the fight was ducked by him? Lomachenko didn't even have a fight at LW before Mikey started calling for Spence. And the winner of Beltran/Pedraza WAS lined up Lomachenko, and that is something Mikey even mentioned saying he wasn't going to wait on them. Mikey didn't leave 135 because he was scared of Lomachenko as some are alluding on this thread. He just wanted the Spence challenge and thought he saw something he could exploit.

I've never seen a "duck" before where neither team reached out to the other or when there were never even any discussions of the fight taking place. People really started ramping up the discussion once Mikey signed the Spence fight and that's when the two fighters started taking some shots at each other in the media.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Correct, so tell me where Mikey ducked Lomachenko? Tell me where at your timeline the fight was ducked by him? Lomachenko didn't even have a fight at LW before Mikey started calling for Spence. And the winner of Beltran/Pedraza WAS lined up Lomachenko, and that is something Mikey even mentioned saying he wasn't going to wait on them. Mikey didn't leave 135 because he was scared of Lomachenko as some are alluding on this thread. He just wanted the Spence challenge and thought he saw something he could exploit.

I've never seen a "duck" before where neither team reached out to the other or when there were never even any discussions of the fight taking place. People really started ramping up the discussion once Mikey signed the Spence fight and that's when the two fighters started taking some shots at each other in the media.

Mikey named dropped every name possible just to make a name for himself. Plus. If I recall correctly I dont think he actually called Spence out until after Lomachenko beat Linares.

Lomachenko was and always is a bigger risk than Spence despite Spence being physically the bigger man. Its especially true because Lomachenko is the smaller man.

It's like everyone said. If he would have fought Lomachenko and lost then that would completely destroy his brand, especially considering how he would have lost. Did you even watch Spence vs Mikey? All he did was come to surivive and collect a paycheck. Was it really that big of a risk then? His whole plan was to make it to the bell and claim moral victory. Mikey's a good boxer. He knows how to survive.

If he fought Lomachenko and lost as bad as he did he would done a Rigo.

He would have literally been another guy Lomachenko retired and he wouldnt have got that PPV fight with Spence and he would have fallen off of everyone's top 10 p4p lists. So Mikey did what business do.

You know what I call that? A duck. Listen to Mikey and then listen to Lomachenko. Both claim they're doing it for their legacy.

But what kind of person who really cares about their legacy doesnt want to fight the best person in your weight class? Especially one that's considered the near p4p consensus #1? In what would be in a fight that unifes your division that would produce an undisputed champion? That is one solid way to cement your legacy.

Mikey ducked Lomachenko period. You just dont want to beleive hes scared of losing to him. The truth is he is. Or at least hes afraid of the financial ramifications. I don't think Mikey honestly believed he could beat Lomachenko but it's in his best interests to make people believe he can.

After that showing against Spence what do you honestly think?

Spencer completely dominated and outboxed him. It would be no different vs Lomachenko.

Now imagine the thought of a smaller guy doing the exact same thing to Mikey. You dont want to imagine it do you? Its completely possible. Mikey showed he had nothing. He was slow footed. Slow to the punch. He claimed he was everything Spence had but better! Better speed, footwork, timing.

Lomachenko is better in every category too.

I honestly cant beleive you guys. Mikey's got a punchers chance and he knows it too. The dude didnt even want to fight Linares for crying out loud. And who the **** is Lipinets? The weakest champ at 140? And the thing is, he did that for money too, not fight Linares and fighting Lipinets.

How can you guys beleive this guy? Lomachenko fans want the Mikey fight right now. Lomachenko wants the fight now. Guess who doesnt want the fight?

And who do you honestly what champion do you have him beating at 140? The guy didnt even look good at 140. 140 looked like adrian broners 147. One weight class too big to be elite but a contender.

Do you think that Mikey is gonna go back to fighting undercard fights? Fighting people who dont bring in the money?

Tell me what you think.

[Ray*]

I don't see it as a duck, moreover i think he would beat Lomachenko.

[KTFOKING]

Mikey named dropped every name possible just to make a name for himself. Plus. If I recall correctly I dont think he actually called Spence out until after Lomachenko beat Linares.

Lomachenko was and always is a bigger risk than Spence despite Spence being physically the bigger man. Its especially true because Lomachenko is the smaller man.

It's like everyone said. If he would have fought Lomachenko and lost then that would completely destroy his brand, especially considering how he would have lost. Did you even watch Spence vs Mikey? All he did was come to surivive and collect a paycheck. Was it really that big of a risk then? His whole plan was to make it to the bell and claim moral victory. Mikey's a good boxer. He knows how to survive.

If he fought Lomachenko and lost as bad as he did he would done a Rigo.

He would have literally been another guy Lomachenko retired and he wouldnt have got that PPV fight with Spence and he would have fallen off of everyone's top 10 p4p lists. So Mikey did what business do.

You know what I call that? A duck. Listen to Mikey and then listen to Lomachenko. Both claim they're doing it for their legacy.

But what kind of person who really cares about their legacy doesnt want to fight the best person in your weight class? Especially one that's considered the near p4p consensus #1? In what would be in a fight that unifes your division that would produce an undisputed champion? That is one solid way to cement your legacy.

Mikey ducked Lomachenko period. You just dont want to beleive hes scared of losing to him. The truth is he is. Or at least hes afraid of the financial ramifications. I don't think Mikey honestly believed he could beat Lomachenko but it's in his best interests to make people believe he can.

After that showing against Spence what do you honestly think?

Spencer completely dominated and outboxed him. It would be no different vs Lomachenko.

Now imagine the thought of a smaller guy doing the exact same thing to Mikey. You dont want to imagine it do you? Its completely possible. Mikey showed he had nothing. He was slow footed. Slow to the punch. He claimed he was everything Spence had but better! Better speed, footwork, timing.

Lomachenko is better in every category too.

I honestly cant beleive you guys. Mikey's got a punchers chance and he knows it too. The dude didnt even want to fight Linares for crying out loud. And who the **** is Lipinets? The weakest champ at 140? And the thing is, he did that for money too, not fight Linares and fighting Lipinets.

How can you guys beleive this guy? Lomachenko fans want the Mikey fight right now. Lomachenko wants the fight now. Guess who doesnt want the fight?

And who do you honestly what champion do you have him beating at 140? The guy didnt even look good at 140. 140 looked like adrian broners 147. One weight class too big to be elite but a contender.

Do you think that Mikey is gonna go back to fighting undercard fights? Fighting people who dont bring in the money?

Tell me what you think.

He would have had a much better showing against Lomachenko than he did against Spence. In fact, after the Linares and Pedraza fights, more fans actually favored Garcia in that match up. Lomachenko got touched up in both those fights and looked far from invincible. You are letting the Crolla win get to your head. Go back and check the comments after the Linares and Pedraza fights. Garcia with his size and style would have a very solid shot against Lomachenko.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I don't see it as a duck, moreover i think he would beat Lomachenko.

it's a duck however you wanna look at it. mikey had no reason to jump up to 147 to fight spence. mikey had every reason to fight loma but he chooses spence because a loss to spence looks better than a loss to loma. it's not a duck like mikey is afraid of loma, but it's a duck because the risk of losing to loma is far worst than losing to spence.

[j.razor]

I'm not sure I would call it a duck.

I do think it was entirely up to Mikey whether the fight happened or not though. It is no secret that he has bad blood with Arum, and never wants anything to do with him again. It might be that simple.

It just might be the fact that bob doesn't want to play nice at the negotiating table.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-if-...chenko--128171

[j.razor]

I'm definitely convinced now. I really can't be a fan of this dude. He seems like a prick in his interviews anyway. Never saw how he got a lot of fans. Well, if he does. Haha. F it. Loma should just unify which is higly likely and then call them all out until he finds a challenge. That's boxing these days.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-if-...chenko--128171

[j.razor]

How could he duck Loma when he just won a shutout against Spence? Did you not see Mikey's hand gestures at the end of each round?

On a serious note he did swerve Loma. Was that his decision though or Al's? We will never know.

Cut it out. We know why the fight won't get made.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-if-...chenko--128171