Which other hw champion in history has unashamedly ducked as transparently as Wilder?

[STREET CLEANER]

When you have Hearn moving the goal post every time this is the narrative that you get.

[The Big Dunn]

What a ridiculous comment! Are you seriously saying that Hearn booking Wembley Stadium for an AJ/Wilder unification fight on April 13th was some kind of trick to cover his real intention, which was AJ vs TBA at MSG?

And what about the other trick he supposedly tried to pull on Deontay?

You know, the one where he him sent a contract which was purported to be for a fight in Sept/Nov last year, which would have been switched to April 13th, Wembley, if Wilder had signed it?

You're ding the same thing you are criticizing others of. By now we know the facts about the initial discussions of wilder/AJ.

Hearn wanted a non US PPV fight for AJ to launch DAZN. As such made a flat fee offer that would cut Deontay out of millions of dollars of the total revenue of the fight. He did this knowing it would be rejected.

You know this to, but are going out of your way to absolve Hearn. Then, when someone posts about the $50 mil offer, you act as if they have no right to do so. Utterly ridiculous.

Hearn did what was best for his company and DAZN. Cool. Haymon sees DAZN isn' t meeting projections and isn't going to give them exclusive rights to a fight that would sell huge and hurt his future plans.

It is disingenuous of you to leave out what happened initially. It is also disingenuous to ask Haymon to help his competition when you wouldn't ask Hearn to do same.

[kafkod]

You're ding the same thing you are criticizing others of. By now we know the facts about the initial discussions of wilder/AJ.

Hearn wanted a non US PPV fight for AJ to launch DAZN. As such made a flat fee offer that would cut Deontay out of millions of dollars of the total revenue of the fight. He did this knowing it would be rejected.

You know this to, but are going out of your way to absolve Hearn. Then, when someone posts about the $50 mil offer, you act as if they have no right to do so. Utterly ridiculous.

Hearn did what was best for his company and DAZN. Cool. Haymon sees DAZN isn' t meeting projections and isn't going to give them exclusive rights to a fight that would sell huge and hurt his future plans.

It is disingenuous of you to leave out what happened initially. It is also disingenuous to ask Haymon to help his competition when you wouldn't ask Hearn to do same.

Hearn didn't book a Wembley date in April for nothing, and he certainly didn't book it for AJ vs Whyte, as subsequent events proved.

The $15million flat fee offer wasn't meant to be accepted, I grant you that. But it wasn't for the Wembley date, either as I think you well know.

Finkel and Wilder tried to bluff Eddie into admitting he didn't really want to fight them before Povetkin by pretending to accept the flat fee, and when Eddie called their bluff, they folded.

If they had simply rejected the flat fee offer for Sept/Nov, instead of playing games with it, they would have recieved another offer the Wembley date after AJ/Povetkin was out of the way, and it would been a serious percentage split offer.

[juggernaut666]

No Champions of any weight classes would dare turn down over 7 times their highest pay or ever turn down 120 million when guaranteed 2 fights for undisputed which is over TWELVE times his highest earnings.

This can only mean two things.

1. The recent findings out out is that Haymon has been controlling his opponents and has final say which is why his resume is the worst as well ? A protected fighter that also is assured the judges won't let him lose as long as he can score a knock down even if he's losing EVERY round.

2. He's just that dumb!



To all the idiots still defending him as stated ,hopefully Breazeale puts the circus out of business and / or a few posters ( you know who you are ) commit suicide afterwards !

[The Big Dunn]

Hearn didn't book a Wembley date in April for nothing, and he certainly didn't book it for AJ vs Whyte, as subsequent events proved.

The $15million flat fee offer wasn't meant to be accepted, I grant you that. But it wasn't for the Wembley date, either as I think you well know.

Finkel and Wilder tried to bluff Eddie into admitting he didn't really want to fight them before Povetkin by pretending to accept the flat fee, and when Eddie called their bluff, they folded.

If they had simply rejected the flat fee offer for Sept/Nov, instead of playing games with it, they would have recieved another offer the Wembley date after AJ/Povetkin was out of the way, and it would been a serious percentage split offer.

"After AJ/Povetkin is out of the way" is you again giving Hearn/AJ a pass for not initially making the fight. It's like starting the month on the 8th instead of the 1st.

That is my whole issue with you and others. You can't just let Hearn off the hook for lying and then say "well Finkel should've negotiated and not played games". Eddie didn't call anyone's bluff. He didn't win. He didn't do anything admirable. He wouldn't allow the AJ/Wilder fight because he wanted to do another fight which benefited DAZN.

Now when Haymon sees DAZN isn't as successful as they thought they'd be at this point he nixes Wilder going there for $100 mil because if Wilder fights AJ on DAZN the subscriptions skyrocket because that is the biggest fight that can be made in the sport right now., which hurts his business.

Hold both accountable. It can't be ok for Hearn to do what is best for his business and not Haymon.

[juggernaut666]

"After AJ/Povetkin is out of the way" is you again giving Hearn/AJ a pass for not initially making the fight. It's like starting the month on the 8th instead of the 1st.

That is my whole issue with you and others. You can't just let Hearn off the hook for lying and then say "well Finkel should've negotiated and not played games". Eddie didn't call anyone's bluff. He didn't win. He didn't do anything admirable. He wouldn't allow the AJ/Wilder fight because he wanted to do another fight which benefited DAZN.

Now when Haymon sees DAZN isn't as successful as they thought they'd be at this point he nixes Wilder going there for $100 mil because if Wilder fights AJ on DAZN the subscriptions skyrocket because that is the biggest fight that can be made in the sport right now., which hurts his business.

Hold both accountable. It can't be ok for Hearn to do what is best for his business and not Haymon.

Finkel April 2018: meetings are counter productive and a waste of time .


Finkel on TBV 2019: The only way big fights get done is meeting and sitting down and discussing it.


Finkel 2018: They didn't want the fight , no date or venue


Finkel 2019: We won't be dictated to and be giving a set date and venue for April 13th.


Team Wilder

[The Big Dunn]

Finkel April 2018: meetings are counter productive and a waste of time .


Finkel on TBV 2019: The only way big fights get done is meeting and sitting down and discussing it.


Finkel 2018: They didn't want the fight , no date or venue


Finkel 2019: We won't be dictated to and be giving a set date and venue for April 13th.


Team Wilder

Another one sided post that avoids discussing Hearn saying he wanted a non US PPV fight to launch DAZN, which shows he wasn't interested in making AJ/Wilder when he said he was.

[New England]

both teams have been shameful in their duckery of this one. fury's team, too. they are gonna make some money in '19 and '20 befor they fight each other



the biggets duck in my lifetime at HW was riddick bowe putting the HW championship of the world in the trash can to avoid lennox lewis, who knocked him out as an amateur.

[kafkod]

"After AJ/Povetkin is out of the way" is you again giving Hearn/AJ a pass for not initially making the fight. It's like starting the month on the 8th instead of the 1st.

That is my whole issue with you and others. You can't just let Hearn off the hook for lying and then say "well Finkel should've negotiated and not played games". Eddie didn't call anyone's bluff. He didn't win. He didn't do anything admirable. He wouldn't allow the AJ/Wilder fight because he wanted to do another fight which benefited DAZN.

Now when Haymon sees DAZN isn't as successful as they thought they'd be at this point he nixes Wilder going there for $100 mil because if Wilder fights AJ on DAZN the subscriptions skyrocket because that is the biggest fight that can be made in the sport right now., which hurts his business.

Hold both accountable. It can't be ok for Hearn to do what is best for his business and not Haymon.

You can hold both accountable without twisting the truth to try and put more blame on one side than they deserve.

I'm pretty sure that Hearn's plan was to have AJ debut in the States, on DAZN, as the undisputed world HW champ, and to do that he needed to make the undisputed fight yesterday, not some time in 2020, with AJ fighting TBA in his US debut!

Haymon and Hearn are both trying to do what's best for their own business, but only Hearn is willing to take the risk of playing for all the marbles. Haymon won't do that, which means that, right now, what's best for Eddie Hearn is also what's best for boxing and boxing fans.

I don't get it ... don't you want to see AJ and Wilder fight for the undisputed HW crown this year, and for $20, not $100?

[Ray*]

I think Bowe one still top this one.