Cleanelo is one step away from unifying the middleweight division

[The Big Dunn]

As I understand it the levels found in his system were consistent with eating tainted meat

In any case he did test positive. Ok.

But he's been doing 24/7 365 VADA for three fights now and he is STILL winning and looking world class.

So obviously there's more to his success than any PEDs which he may or may not have ingested unintentionally.

The fact he is doing it now doesn't change anything. Had he not cheated and fought GGG in May, if He loses to GGG it's a completely different path.

That would mean he lost to the 2 best fighters he faced, ceded control of the MW division, falls behind Charlo in line for a WBC title defense and now maybe has to fight, Charlo, Derevchenko or Andrade to get back in the MW picture.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt when nothing warrants it. He has been eating the same meat his whole life.

Come on homie. Canelo cheated to give himself the best chance to beat a guy in a rematch many felt he got an unfair UD win against. I think that always needs to be mentioned.

[The Big Dunn]

No it won’t. The LDBC always praise how great RJJ, Toney and Holyfield were even during a time when advanced drug testing didn’t exist nor was 365 an existence...

I don't go to the LDBC website like you do so I have no idea what they talk about. As far as Canelo, the fact he tested positive should be mentioned everytime he fights. That is the price you pay for cheating and getting caught.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I don't go to the LDBC website like you do so I have no idea what they talk about. As far as Canelo, the fact he tested positive should be mentioned everytime he fights. That is the price you pay for cheating and getting caught.

Nobody cares. Toney and Roy Jones Jr. are prime examples. and the LDBC has a website?!

[The Big Dunn]

Nobody cares. Toney and Roy Jones Jr. are prime examples. and the LDBC has a website?!

Well if you remember and care enough to post about it, I am sure other people care and will mention it. I doubt the WBC will but hopefully ESPN and other legitimate boxing media outlets will.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Well if you remember and care enough to post about it, I am sure other people care and will mention it. I doubt the WBC will but hopefully ESPN and other legitimate boxing media outlets will.

Nobody will, but everyone (industry) knows about 365, non-365, and the things that happened in the underground before advanced drug testing.

[DuckAdonis]

You mean Clenelo

Say he is clean while he failed 2 tests. Accuse Pacquiao of being a PED cheat while never failing any drugs tests.

=Fanboyism

[ShoulderRoll]

The fact he is doing it now doesn't change anything. Had he not cheated and fought GGG in May, if He loses to GGG it's a completely different path.

That would mean he lost to the 2 best fighters he faced, ceded control of the MW division, falls behind Charlo in line for a WBC title defense and now maybe has to fight, Charlo, Derevchenko or Andrade to get back in the MW picture.

You are giving him the benefit of the doubt when nothing warrants it. He has been eating the same meat his whole life.

Come on homie. Canelo cheated to give himself the best chance to beat a guy in a rematch many felt he got an unfair UD win against. I think that always needs to be mentioned.

That's the thing, Dunn. You don't know for a fact that he deliberately cheated. Because the clen in Mexican meat thing happens to be true.

You choose not to give him the benefit of the doubt. I do.

And the fact that he's still kicking ass on VADA makes me feel like I'm not out of line for believing his excuse.

[The Big Dunn]

That's the thing, Dunn. You don't know for a fact that he deliberately cheated. Because the clen in Mexican meat thing happens to be true.

You choose not to give him the benefit of the doubt. I do.

And the fact that he's still kicking ass on VADA makes me feel like I'm not out of line for believing his excuse.

one, the levels were too high. 2nd, I get that tainted meat is a real issue but he's been eating that meat his whole life and just now before GGG rematch he tests positive.

I can't give him the benefit of the doubt under these circumstances.

The fact that he is passing all VADA testing now has absolutely no bearing on what happened before. He might not be cheating now.

Do we know if he stopped eating the same meat?

[AKAcronym]

Too many red flags surrounding Canelo's positive test. We'll never know conclusively whether it was intentional or not but something definitely seemed fishy.