Comments Thread For: Hearn is 'Gutted' After Wilder's Manager Tabbed Joshua For 2020

[Redgloveman]

Sorry to interrupt, but dude! Where did you get that acid?
It must be strong! You're trippin' balls over there!

What part of his post do you disagree with specifically?

[Oldskoolg]

Now I’m getting old but not senile yet...I recall eddie’s Pappy Barry saying he was not interested in the fight for a couple of years, that it should marinate....

[DougalDylan]

Wilder ducking again ...

[OnlytheTruth]

The offered $50M to Joshua when Joshua said $50M would be nice iirc. Then Eddie started saying crazy sh^t like they didn't have $50M to give Joshua. Which come the f#ck on this is THE fight to make at HW. You can find money for the fight. Its there.

Regardless of who's offering what Team Wilder doesn't feel like the price is right just yet apparently & with the offer having gone from $15M for 1 fight to a $120M for 4 fight deal ($30M a fight avg) or a 100% increase in Wilder's value in mere months & when he lost a fight in my estimation, although it was officially ruled a draw, that suggests Wilder did get lowballed initially (as crazy as that might sound to say outloud to some). And I suspect if anyone knows the true value of this fight its Haymon cuz he played the game perfectly with Floyd.

If Wilder can keep winning like Floyd did is a whole other thing, but personally I don't think the money dries up like that even if Wilder loses. Wilder has made himself a name now. And his punch is gonna be there even if he loses in the future. So while I don't doubt they lose money if Wilder loses (hell they lose money if Joshua loses) its probably not as much as people think. Its a gamble no doubt, but this is a high wire act sport where risk of losing value or ability to increase your value can be changed in one night to some degree.

I mean look at Buster Douglas. He was a also ran HW contender. He got the callup to Tyson. He made $1.3M. He beat Tyson. He earned $24M vs Holyfield. Sh^t can change on a f#cking dime in boxing if you win the right fight. And its not like the money dried up for Tyson. Tyson would sign a $120M multifight deal with HBO later that year.

Yeah, agree with a lot of what you are saying there.

When Hearn says 'Ok, show me the money', Finkel replies 'Sign first'. Why would they need to hide it if they had it?

When you say that Team Wilder doesn't know if the price is right - they are now basing their value on the market that Matchroom and DAZN have created. If boxing audiences dropped by 99% for whatever reason and Matchroom and DAZN starting offering £100,000 to fight Joshua, what's Wilder's value then?

Fighters value is solely dependent on the current market. Wilder does NOT sell PPV very well at all. Fury brought the credibility to the fight in LA. Hearn said, sell x amount of PPV's and we'll discuss the split. They didn't hit that mark so why is Wilder now worth so much more? Because Joshua wants to unify. Not because Wilder is soooo much better. Its the Green Belt he wants.

When, not if, when Wilder gets found out, his value will plummet.

Obviously this is all IMO

[Ake-Dawg]

AJ has been ducking? And Wilder has simply moved on? . ....I love the choice of words. Keep doing your thing

Didn't Hearn "move on" from Ortiz after they claimed low ball but later recanted and asked for a contract to be sent?

[kafkod]

That's not true. Wilder was never sent an offer where the second fight would be 50/50 even if Wilder loses the first fight.

Second of all, even if the split is right, it doesn't matter if Hearn refuses to put the fight on PPV so the fighters can maximize their income.

Hearn isn't refusing to put the fight on PPV. He has said multiple times that AJ would fight Wilder on Showtime PPV if they offered him more money for it than DAZN.

That won't happen, of course, because Espinoza knows very well that the numbers wouldn't be there.

[kafkod]

The offered $50M to Joshua when Joshua said $50M would be nice iirc. Then Eddie started saying crazy sh^t like they didn't have $50M to give Joshua. Which come the f#ck on this is THE fight to make at HW. You can find money for the fight. Its there.

Regardless of who's offering what Team Wilder doesn't feel like the price is right just yet apparently & with the offer having gone from $15M for 1 fight to a $120M for 4 fight deal ($30M a fight avg) or a 100% increase in Wilder's value in mere months & when he lost a fight in my estimation, although it was officially ruled a draw, that suggests Wilder did get lowballed initially (as crazy as that might sound to say outloud to some). And I suspect if anyone knows the true value of this fight its Haymon cuz he played the game perfectly with Floyd.

If Wilder can keep winning like Floyd did is a whole other thing, but personally I don't think the money dries up like that even if Wilder loses. Wilder has made himself a name now. And his punch is gonna be there even if he loses in the future. So while I don't doubt they lose money if Wilder loses (hell they lose money if Joshua loses) its probably not as much as people think. Its a gamble no doubt, but this is a high wire act sport where risk of losing value or ability to increase your value can be changed in one night to some degree.

I mean look at Buster Douglas. He was a also ran HW contender. He got the callup to Tyson. He made $1.3M. He beat Tyson. He earned $24M vs Holyfield. Sh^t can change on a f#cking dime in boxing if you win the right fight. And its not like the money dried up for Tyson. Tyson would sign a $120M multifight deal with HBO later that year.

If Wilder = Mayweather, then how come his next fight isn't even going to be on PPV?

And the $50million they offered AJ last year was exposed as a PR stunt. Only shills and fanboys like you are still trying to pretend it was real.

[kafkod]

To be honest with you none of them are “Gutted!” Both camps are happy to let it marinate, I knew this was both their call years ago. It was the dumb Wilder fangirls that got tricked into thinking Wilder actually wanted that fight right there and then. The “One face, one name” blah blah blah looks good to uneducated fans, but when you have followed this sport enough you would know when someone is BS you.

You don’t claim you want the fight and don’t care about money then turn down 12.5m (When your normal payday is 2m).

Just like Ortiz “I want the fight, he would never fight me, offer me anything” and then got offered 7m and it’s the same old tired line “Lowball, I know my worth” for someone that makes 500k.

So as much as Hearn is “Gutted” he is happy the fight isn’t happening now, he is definitely happy more now because most normal people can now see it was Wilder’s team that never wanted the fight in the first place. Especially with the Ortiz BS that he also exposed recently.

I'm not sure what Eddie's real feelings are about this, but I suspect he isn't as "gutted" as he's trying to make out.

One thing for sure though .. DAZN most definitely did want the fight to happen this year. Skipper wasn't playing games with those incredible offers he made to Wilder.

So this may have worked out perfectly for Eddie. He gets what he REALLY wanted, with no fall out from his "bosses" because he didn't give them what they wanted.

[Eff Pandas]

When you say that Team Wilder doesn't know if the price is right - they are now basing their value on the market that Matchroom and DAZN have created.

I'd argue PBC created the market we're in. All these deals didn't start popping up & these new cats coming into boxing til AFTER Haymon proved boxing still had a lot of fans interest if they put fights on regular TV.

I believe Bob has implied that himself & he's not a mfer who likes to give credit to others.

If boxing audiences dropped by 99% for whatever reason and Matchroom and DAZN starting offering £100,000 to fight Joshua, what's Wilder's value then?

Thats the risk all the time doe. Hell man Wilder coulda signed the deal & if the audience dropped by 99% he wouldn't a 10th of that $120M.

Fighters value is solely dependent on the current market. Wilder does NOT sell PPV very well at all.

Fury vs Wilder generated $22M-$24M in revenue. Joshua vs Parker did ~$36M. Joshua vs Povetkin did ~$28M. If my conversion rates are right anyway. And Joshua had several PPV's before those 2 which are his last 2 & the Fury fight is Wilder's only PPV. There isn't as much distance between these two guys as people think in revenue. And I think this is one of the reasons Eddie is bringing Joshua to the US cuz Joshua isn't a DAZN guy. And Eddie knows he can get more money from US PPV than UK PPV &/or he can milk more money from DAZN with the threat of going to US PPV. So its win win for Eddie & Joshua to get max value beyond Wilder sh^t if they can make Joshua a US name/draw.

But what happens from here? Who knows, but its a solid bet, & Hearn has stated this also, that Wilder's value goes up. Hearn just said 2 days ago he wouldn't be surprised if he has to give Wilder 50/50 to make this fight.

This is how fight talks work. People talk scared & ducking like this is an after school fight in 7th grade, but this is all money sh^t at this level of fighting. And Wilder & his team think they can get more & Eddie actually agrees with Wilder. Fair play to them if they don't believe they've been offered the right price. Its their gamble on the future.

They didn't hit that mark so why is Wilder now worth so much more? Because Joshua wants to unify.

Both wanna unify. Joshua is just getting paid his value already & Wilder wants to get paid what he feels he's worth.

When, not if, when Wilder gets found out, his value will plummet.

You mean lose? Idk wtf all this "exposed" & "found out" bs is people keep talking about these days. Mfers lose.

I can see already that Wilder can't box very good. Sh^t who don't see that? He gots power. He's athletic. He gots a nice jab courtesy of Mark Breland. But sh^t man at HW you don't really need much beyond power to be decently successful lets be real. Anyone every catch DaVarryl "Touch Of Sleep" Williamson? That mfer got a title fight & he wasn't realllllllly that good, but he could legit sleep mfers so he got to a title shot at HW.

And value goes up & down when you win & lose & win again. The reality is Wilder is a name now. His value could drop when he loses, but its not likely to drop THAT much. And neither will Joshua's when he loses. These guys both have branded themselves to some degree. You don't do $20M+ in PPV revenue like both have without having some brand value to at least the boxing hardcores.

[bronx7]

Wilder has unexplainable mandatory against Braz. How the sanctioning body says he earned it over whyte insane. Then who for Wilder? I say Ortiz rematch. He’s older they know what to expect