Boxing Trade-Would You Make It

[Eff Pandas]

I'm not arguing talent here, though; I'm simply making the money point here; 1) can you ever envision Terence Crawford selling out any venue at $1000-$50 and 2)can Crawford draw anything on PPV as the feature fighter.

Pacquiao, Spence Jr, Danny Garcia, and maybe Keith Thurman, of the current crop, all have that potential, to me anyway; Crawford and Shawn Porter, not so much.

Thats a legit concern, but Bud is already a highly paid guy who's got 2 PPV's to his name now, granted they both bombed or it sounds like Khan will be underwhelming at best, & has some drawing ability that will improve as he's in bigger fights all of which are on the PBC side. To a certain degree in a sexy division like 147 if you make the big fights people will come. So through winning fights on the PBC side, & I believe he beats most PBC guys, it'll enhance his popularity & drawing ability I feel.

And I mean look at who we're trading? Who's the PPV guy on that side who's even bombing a PPV anytime soon? I don't see Tank having a 200k PPV anytime soon. I'm not sure I see a PPV fight in his foreseeable future despite some talk of making him into a PPV draw. So Bud's limitations are legit, but his upside is there & combined on the other side idk that we got competition with PPV & thats where the money is.

I was actually thinking more like TR needs to get more value for Bud not less value like you're saying. But the potential upside of Tank that COULD become reality if he gets his sh^t together is of value.

Jack is finishing up, the risk/reward on Gervonta Davis is definitely real, but I think you're undercounting Marcus Browne in a big way (he needs to fight his way to a belt and hang on to it, but he's a tall/long guy, former US Olympian, born and raised in a part of NYC still looking for heroes, while also having that "Cops and Kids Teddy Atlas" feel good story).

Underselling Browne??? Didn't see that coming. Thought you were more hyped on Tank cuz I get that.

I think Browne isn't unskilled by any means. He's a good fighter. He's gotten pretty far in the game already. But I just have a really tough time seeing him doing well vs some of these long standing amateurs who came into pro boxing looking polished & who adapted quickly to the pros. Idk that Browne beats any of these guys like Beterbiev, The Nail or Bivol or even Kov although at Kov's age who knows. Is there really much upside in being the #5 to #8 175lber in the world? Idk.

And idk that he's really sellable with all that stuff you bring up. He gots that weirdo multiple domestic abuse thing going on with the ex or w/e that keeps popping up in the news every 6 months it feels like. I think there could be some low or moderate risk on him going south on some out of the ring sh^t. Could he end up being the guy at 175? Sh^t maybe. I definitely wouldn't bet on it doe.

10 out of 10 times, I take the two lotto tickets (Davis, Browne) and roll the dice, especially when I have Spence, Danny Garcia, and Thurman.

Not sure what you mean here. Like you mean as PBC you would gamble on Tank & Browne getting someplace without the quality opponents TR has & wouldn't care about acquiring Bud since your loaded at 147?

I mean okay. But I'm just thinking in regards to where the action is. Tank & Browne find their level on the TR side cuz PBC has nothing for them like TR gots for them. And same with Bud. Nothing for him on the TR side, but loads on the PBC side.

And obviously for TR & PBC it enhances what they already got. Which is why you trade in the first place to enhance what you already got & get rid of what you can't do much with. Or to get rid of your excesses to cuz I'd find a way to ditch Danny I think. He comes up short vs the best guys. If I don't trade for Bud I think I trade Garcia to TR so they got an opponent for Bud & maybe grab a couple prospects or something.

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Thats a legit concern, but Bud is already a highly paid guy who's got 2 PPV's to his name now, granted they both bombed or it sounds like Khan will be underwhelming at best, & has some drawing ability that will improve as he's in bigger fights all of which are on the PBC side. To a certain degree in a sexy division like 147 if you make the big fights people will come. So through winning fights on the PBC side, & I believe he beats most PBC guys, it'll enhance his popularity & drawing ability I feel.

And I mean look at who we're trading? Who's the PPV guy on that side who's even bombing a PPV anytime soon? I don't see Tank having a 200k PPV anytime soon. I'm not sure I see a PPV fight in his foreseeable future despite some talk of making him into a PPV draw. So Bud's limitations are legit, but his upside is there & combined on the other side idk that we got competition with PPV & thats where the money is.

I was actually thinking more like TR needs to get more value for Bud not less value like you're saying. But the potential upside of Tank that COULD become reality if he gets his sh^t together is of value.



Underselling Browne??? Didn't see that coming. Thought you were more hyped on Tank cuz I get that.

I think Browne isn't unskilled by any means. He's a good fighter. He's gotten pretty far in the game already. But I just have a really tough time seeing him doing well vs some of these long standing amateurs who came into pro boxing looking polished & who adapted quickly to the pros. Idk that Browne beats any of these guys like Beterbiev, The Nail or Bivol or even Kov although at Kov's age who knows. Is there really much upside in being the #5 to #8 175lber in the world? Idk.

And idk that he's really sellable with all that stuff you bring up. He gots that weirdo multiple domestic abuse thing going on with the ex or w/e that keeps popping up in the news every 6 months it feels like. I think there could be some low or moderate risk on him going south on some out of the ring sh^t. Could he end up being the guy at 175? Sh^t maybe. I definitely wouldn't bet on it doe.



Not sure what you mean here. Like you mean as PBC you would gamble on Tank & Browne getting someplace without the quality opponents TR has & wouldn't care about acquiring Bud since your loaded at 147?

I mean okay. But I'm just thinking in regards to where the action is. Tank & Browne find their level on the TR side cuz PBC has nothing for them like TR gots for them. And same with Bud. Nothing for him on the TR side, but loads on the PBC side.

And obviously for TR & PBC it enhances what they already got. Which is why you trade in the first place to enhance what you already got & get rid of what you can't do much with. Or to get rid of your excesses to cuz I'd find a way to ditch Danny I think. He comes up short vs the best guys. If I don't trade for Bud I think I trade Garcia to TR so they got an opponent for Bud & maybe grab a couple prospects or something.

I think I get the gist of what you're saying, but the aim is wrong, imo; trades are a selfish proposition, and I don't foresee Haymon or Arum, or anyone for that matter, giving up anything to help a promoter because you have extra.

I don't know if you ever played Madden, but everyone is basically trying to play Franchise Mode and get a 90+ rated player at every position, and if you have multiple 90+ players at a spot, you hoard them on your roster until the salary cap tells you different.

Shane Mosley beating Oscar De La Hoya didn't make Mosley a bigger star; whether he wins or not, simply winning fights isn't going to overcome the superstar issues.

Tank is probably the biggest puncher in the sport 135lbs and below and one of the best finishers 135lbs down too; match him however you want, assuming he keeps out of trouble, and you can see the superstar path if he keeps winning.

Marcus Browne definitely needs to be good enough to pick off one of these belts at 175lb, but if he does, there's enough story and ability to turn him into something in New York.

This may be hyperbole (I think Errol and Danny both handle Crawford, and doubt that Crawford has enough firepower to keep Porter off of him, but that's my opinion) but Crawford could beat Porter, Thurman, Spence, Pacquiao, and Danny Garcia, hold all the belts at 147, and I doubt the fans would really give a ****.

He'd be Marvelous Hagler; a great fighter, but a bankable superstar he would not be.

Giving up 'maybes' for a 'meh' doesn't make sense to me.

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I think I get the gist of what you're saying, but the aim is wrong, imo; trades are a selfish proposition, and I don't foresee Haymon or Arum, or anyone for that matter, giving up anything to help a promoter because you have extra.

I mean do real trades really work like that doe? Its been forever since I was into "regular" sports, but it seems like you gotta give something to get something. You can't trade trash for gold.

And obviously the mindset of promoters would change in this fantasy would this thread is creating so idk that PBC would hoard all the 147lbers that'll never be the man just to spite other ent^ties. That makes sense now, but idk if it'd make sense in this promotional world where trading is a reality.

I don't know if you ever played Madden, but everyone is basically trying to play Franchise Mode and get a 90+ rated player at every position, and if you have multiple 90+ players at a spot, you hoard them on your roster until the salary cap tells you different.

Nah never played, but that don't sound very realistic.

Shane Mosley beating Oscar De La Hoya didn't make Mosley a bigger star; whether he wins or not, simply winning fights isn't going to overcome the superstar issues.

Shane did pretty great. Come on with this you gotta be #1 sh^t all the time. Shane had 10 PPV fights (although that last one with Mayorga was pretty f#cking garbage) & is #11 on the all time PPV buy list.

Tank is probably the biggest puncher in the sport 135lbs and below and one of the best finishers 135lbs down too; match him however you want, assuming he keeps out of trouble, and you can see the superstar path if he keeps winning.

Idk man. I'm a fan & you are right he's a lil guy who can finish which is a rare thing, BUT he's still a lil guy. Tons of talented lil guys haven't gotten as big as they probably deserve to be til they cross that barrier to 147. Hell man even Bud is just starting to get bigger respect having become a 147 only 3 fights ago. Floyd didn't get really big til 147. And idk if Tank can reach 147 & be effective there. I'm not sure he'll be effective at 140. And the ceiling on a 130/135 guy is just lower fairly or unfairly. A good % of hardcore fans don't even give lil guys there due. And casuals barely take interest in lil guys.

Marcus Browne definitely needs to be good enough to pick off one of these belts at 175lb, but if he does, there's enough story and ability to turn him into something in New York.

Maybe. I mean I could see him win a belt, but I don't see him being the #1 guy at 175. And I don't think he's keeping a belt that long if he does win one.

This may be hyperbole (I think Errol and Danny both handle Crawford, and doubt that Crawford has enough firepower to keep Porter off of him, but that's my opinion) but Crawford could beat Porter, Thurman, Spence, Pacquiao, and Danny Garcia, hold all the belts at 147, and I doubt the fans would really give a ****.

He'd be Marvelous Hagler; a great fighter, but a bankable superstar he would not be.

Giving up 'maybes' for a 'meh' doesn't make sense to me.

If Bud ran the PBC gauntlet the fans would definitely care. I don't think he could do that, but if he did he'd be one of the biggest names in the sport.

And hell man I don't think the guy is doing THAT f#cking bad today. I mean like I said his PPV's have done bad, but most cats never even get to do a PPV. So that alone puts him in the top 1% of the top 1% right there.

Plus I mean you gotta give people a reason to watch so is it even about him 100%. Who the eff was Postol to most fans? Khan has a name, but most everyone realizes he's this era's Mayorga with being a good name guy who's not beating anyone worth a damn than a guy who's a threat to give you a competitive night.

If Bud woulda gotten that Manny fight he might be in an entirely different situation now cuz he'd definitely be in a better position + have more PPV buys to his name. And I suspect as things are going Bud gots a 1M-1.5M PPV fight with Spence when that fight happens. If you get a 1M buy PPV fight you are in the top 1% of the top 1% of the 1%. So if he was on the PBC side & could build up his name better now with the name guys there he & Spence might could have a 2M buy PPV by the time they fight.