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Joe Louis would not have beat Ali ...maybe 1-3 but that's it Ali was to damn fast to out box and if he can take hits from Foreman, shavers, and Frazier what makes you think that little 190 pound Joe can ko him .
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Louis had all tools and smarts to catch up with Ali, and certainly would of knocked him out if(when) he found the right punch. (Btw, if Foreman or Shavers hit Ali clean on the chin with their best punch, you think he's staying on his feet??). I don't even think it would be that difficult for Louis to beat Ali, Ali was clearly a sucker good left jab but only a couple of guys exploited this - Doug Jones and Ken Norton, and they gave him hell. If Louis jabbed when Ali jabbed, and stepped as he jabbed, it would take three steps to get Ali to the ropes - it doesn't matter if Ali's jab would 'get their first' because Louis, unlike Ali, knew how to block, how to parry, always had his chin tucked behind his shoulder, etc, while Ali was a sucker for a good left jab. When Louis got Ali to the ropes, he'd have him cut off, and he'd make sure to get in a few hard body shots before the end of the round to take Ali's legs away for the start of the following round. He'd take his time but basically grind Ali down, slowly take Ali's movement away, and when the opportunity arose to take Ali out you can bet your life that Louis would of taken it - and taken it well.Originally posted by THE REAL NINJALast edited by JuicyJuice; 07-16-2006, 01:15 AM.Comment
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I wouldn't be suprise if Louis took Ali out early, all he'd have to do is jab with Ali to get him to the ropes and from there, as Ali drops his right hand for the uppercut, Louis delivers the knockout drops with the left hook.Comment
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Yup Liston was going to beat Ali with his jab also ..don't forget he had one of the best ever ...also Frazier hit Ali with as clean of a left hook as you can get and Ali was up at 3 ..Comment
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AREALFIGHT, do you have any idea how many posts are on this site each day? What question did you ask me about Rivera? If I am not mistaken I answered every question I saw. What one did I miss? Also, Ali was winning the fight with George... no reason to get upset about it.Comment
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I was not upset just questioning your way of telling me I was or could be wrong. There is PMing on this site. I have much respect for you as a fighter and trainer. My question was, that you where refering to is. How will rivera deal with spinks ability to create effective working range, and he has and ability to do so agienst many styles I think that is his main asset be cause he does it very well. 2 Can your fighter trap spinks when he throwing punches that your fighter wants to see and exploit or, trap him in corners to let his hands go. Spinks movement poses problems for any fighter. he does not leave himself to be countered for the most part. He can get sloppy however and leave punches hanging. Spinks has a big ego and when he fights and starts thinking ya I am the **** he gets out of possition mainly with his hands. I think if and it think its true spinks will bring his hands up to protect his face and then your fighter can set up to go to the body. set that trap to exploit spink's lack of stamina. He does have trouble in the championship round weither do to fatigue or lack of concintration. All this depends on your fighter and how you'd have him fight. Mayorga tried to bust him up but your man has better skills. Zab was able to disrupt spinks's timeing, By shifting forward behind a jab or faint I could be wrong I do not have the fight infront of me but I think that was part of how judah won. Does your fighter have the mobile speed to pounce? I think your boy would win as he is tough and fights well. Does your man have the stamina to waste punches on volume, well not waste but up his tempo to maybe make spinks hesitate get of his range and timeing. I am not talking 100 punches a round but activity can throw off apponents and spinks is not a great athlete in speed or power he can move but it is his training as a boxerthat wins his fights. can your boy exploit his lesser physical ability. Just some questions about your man. Like I said I think rivera would win the match up. But he has to do somethings in order to do so, and I think I pointed out some things that maybe so I am not studying tape while I write this. I wish you and your boy luck. He seams like a good man and the man to take Spinks down a not or to again. May it be so I cannot stand the guy. All this is speculation because this fight is not set in stoneOriginally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLYLast edited by AREALFIGHTER; 07-16-2006, 02:28 AM.Comment
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Nah Ice, that was all hype. Ali wasnt throwing as much punches as Foreman. Foreman was landing hard shots, although not all of them landed clean. Ali would throw one or two punches when Foreman was inactive for prolonged sets, but categorically he wasn't doing a hell of alot. I gave Ali the first and would have given him the KO round, but Foreman was just winning because he was doing more stuff.Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
You can't deny that Foreman's stamina and conditioning didn't exhaust precipitously by the end of the fight. Foreman threw some effective shots, but not too many clean ones. He was dead tired because of his habit of throwing arm punches. As former fighters, you and I both know that trying to throw hard shots with just your arms takes it all out of you. The punches landed on Foreman weren't rocking, concussive shots, but decent clouted blows that were aided by fatigue. Foreman didn't get up because he was exhausted. Foreman later admitted that he had been defeated mentally by the games of Ali. Foreman was always used to intimidating opponents, and when Ali didn't cave internally, Foreman kinda gave up hope.
All props to Ali though, without this win his legacy would seem unfulfilling.Comment
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** Sorry Ice, but Ali was behind on the cards. I personally thought Foreman dominated him, brutalized him really. The myth was that Ali just toyed with Foreman. The facts are that Foreman took a lot out of Ali just like Frazier did. Ali had a magical career, so I really don't understand why people mytholize him into more than he was.Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLYComment
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I just want to see the damb fight again. regardless this thread is not about Ali Vs Foreman, Its about elit fighters beating elites in dominating fashin I have posed many exaples as the medium for this thread.Originally posted by LondonRingRulesComment
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to me the fight turns in the 4th roundOriginally posted by LondonRingRules
foreman wins the first 3 easily solely based on volume of punching.
foreman probably also wins 4 on most people cards.
ali wins 5,6,7 in my book and Kos him in the 8th.
so im gonna say foreman was up 4 rounds to 3 going into the 8th
i think its fairly obvious from the 4th round on that foreman doesent have anything left that can knock ali out. likewise it should be equally obvious by late in the 5th round that ali is going to win the damn fight. foreman hit ali a lot but almost never hit him clean, ali coulda dropped 100 more punched on george head inside of a minute if george could have stood for them.Comment
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