what fighter in history has a better record then lomachenko after 14 fights?

[chrisJS]

Davis is the best American fighter. You'll be proven wrong.

Consensus? You sound like a casual. The whole P4P thing is a big BS fantasy. Each person has their own. Whose consensus? Websites? Fans?

What makes him the best fighters in the world? His resume is garbage and his skills are amateurish. He still fights like an amateur, if you know what you are watching.

With Davis or Lopez, I can see them making a quick work of him, while he's trying to warm up the first few rounds, like he does against bums.

You are the biggest fanboy on this site.

Tank is garbage. He loads up all his shots and only fights guys 2/3 divisions smaller for that reason. The over protection is happening for a reason and he’s a source of ridicule in the sport for a reason. Not going to say he’s a bum but he’s not a good fighter. He’ll end up nowhere near as accomplished or good as Broner.

Lomachenko has high skill based on a number of things like the eye test the result against good opponents (your agenda notwithstanding) and on what other pros say. You think you have a better eye than the fighters who fought him or Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins? Come on. You don’t your just a fanboy.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

Nobody.

Loma is making history. You're seeing the work of a future ATG



Canelo also turned pro at 15, his only loss so far has been to Mayweather

but I guess that's what separates the "good" from the "elite". Canelo is an elite talent, while Salido was a good fighter. That's why he was able to "beat" Loma in his 2nd pro fight, along with being a weight bully, fouling the **** outta Loma all night and having a style that Loma was unfamiliar with. You dont see dirty brawlers in the amateur circuit

Canelo and Salido had different stories.

Canleo had a family that boxed, including an older brother who was already a professional fighter and being groomed in a decent matter.

More importantly, Canelo was a good amateur fighter with trainers on his side and a support system.

What did Salido have? I don't even know what amateur experience Salido had, if any. He was fed to one undefeated fighter twice. He was fed to another 12-0-1 fighter.

Look at the record difference for Canelo and Salido. Canelo was being groomed, fighting debut fighters, or bum-level type fighters with Losses>Wins. Canelo was 13-0 when he fought someone with more wins than losses for the first time.

Salido wasn't the same case.

There's a huge difference, and it shows. Canelo from a young age has always had a great support system. There is no doubt Canelo is a better fighter and elite, but let's not act like Salido had anywhere near the same support growing up. But again, let's also not try to act like Salido's entire career is defined by his beginning stages in boxing.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Tank is garbage. He loads up all his shots and only fights guys 2/3 divisions smaller for that reason. The over protection is happening for a reason and he’s a source of ridicule in the sport for a reason. Not going to say he’s a bum but he’s not a good fighter. He’ll end up nowhere near as accomplished or good as Broner.

Lomachenko has high skill based on a number of things like the eye test the result against good opponents (your agenda notwithstanding) and on what other pros say. You think you have a better eye than the fighters who fought him or Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins? Come on. You don’t your just a fanboy.

If Pedraza battered Lomachenko's face like that, Davis' punches would kill him. His body would be tender in two rounds.

Keep dreaming and crying.

[chrisJS]

If Pedraza battered Lomachenko's face like that, Davis' punches would kill him. His body would be tender in two rounds.

Keep dreaming and crying.

Lomachenko dominated Pedraza and had him missing a lot. He landed a lot on Tank. Sometimes it’s not as simple as this result happened so this is set much like Forrest beat Mosley twice but lost to Mayorga twice who lost to Mosley twice. There’s more than a thousand examples of this. Your comparison you went the casuals route.

[Rockybigblower]

Nobody. He has the best amateur record and the best pro record of only 14 fights. Mayweather won his first world title in his 17th pro fight. Loma has won world titles in 3 weight classes in 14 pro fights. His lose to Salido is meaningless because he was so green to the pro game and Loma came in way over weight and fought dirty and got away with it and most thought Loma deserved the win anyway.

Take your blinkers off you fool.

9-0

[jmrf4435]

If Pedraza battered Lomachenko's face like that, Davis' punches would kill him. His body would be tender in two rounds.

Keep dreaming and crying.

He broke Pedraza down and would beat him worse ina rematch..

Tank is trashy, cannot sell and will probably jeopardize his career by sucker punching hood ****

[BoxingIsGreat]

He broke Pedraza down and would beat him worse ina rematch..

Tank is trashy, cannot sell and will probably jeopardize his career by sucker punching hood ****

Too many cry babies here.

[Mister Wolf]

How is he not a good fighter? Because people look at how many losses he has without looking at the context?

He turned professional at the age of ****ing 15.
By 18, he had 5 losses and 1 draw on his resume. After he turned 18, he had a layoff for about 1.5 years until coming back in 2000. He won his comeback fight, but got knocked out 1 month later.

When he was barely 21 years old, he had a huge upswing in his career. Hell, he beat a young Robert Guerrero (changed to ND cause drugs or w/e), before losing a controversial decision to Cristobal Cruz (who he later beat in the rematch, clearly).

But who else did he lose to after he turned 21?

Manuel Marquez
A prime Gamboa
Mikey Garcia (fight got stopped because of Mikey's broken nose)

Those are some tough ****ers to fight. None of them were able to stop them, and lets not act like these three can't punch. Hell, he even dropped Gamboa. More importantly, all of them were in their PRIME.

Yeah, he looked horrible from 2015 - 2017, even losing to Roman Martinez, but the dude was past his prime and had been in lots of tough wars.

He's a good fighter, but constantly bashed and dragged down to use as a tool to "insult" Lomachenko (as if one loss 5-years ago that you've done better since should even be relevant). That's disrespectful as ****. He derailed the Juan Lopez hype train, he beat Robert Guerrero (even though it was switched to ND), he stood his ground against 3 P4P fighters in their prime, two of which are arguably HOF'ers and another who is another possible one, and of course, he was a world champion.

He isn't a good fighter because he has over 10 losses and none of them had to do with being out of the athletic prime of an adult male. They came from a lack of skill/ability/talent.

[TonyGe]

To do it in that short a time is remarkable. . To be fair he was a mature man with a brilliant amature record. But.. I don't think it can top Esteban DeJesus winning a world title at age 17. He was still a high school student and his class mates attended the fight.

[j0zef]

He's also 31 years old. You can't compare him to the common prospect that turns pro in his late teens or early 20s. Lomachenko didn't turn pro until 25 years old after being one of the most accomplished amateurs of all time.

Saying that, his resume' is just fine. He's a hell of a fighter that rightfully is top 3 in everyone's P4P list.

Best post of the thread IMO. Times are changing. Fighters used to fight 5 times a year to build up their profile. Now, some fighters turn pro later and want to take meaningful fights.

And sure, there will be some fools who will spout garbage like Loma-Linares or Loma-Crolla were mismatches, but those are legit Top5 in the division. You look at some of the top P4P fighters of recent times, just taking Canelo, Golovkin and Ward. In their 14th fight, Canelo fought a 10 rounder against a 22-9 guy, Golovkin fought a 10 rounder against a 29-3 guy, and Ward fought a 10 rounder against a 15-0 guy.

Moral of the story is Loma is fighting meaningful, world class fights early in his pro career, regardless of how easy he makes it look, while typically, P4P fighters at his stage of the career are fighting opponents who are outside of ~top100.