Comments Thread For: Jaime Munguia vs. Dennis Hogan - CompuBox Punch Stats

[MulaKO]

The stats Say other thing


He Lost, of fact.

And the fight was completely close and competitive

I give Hogan two- three rounds
Munguia punched a lot of air , would love to know how many times he didn’t hit the target
And lucky Hogan’s got no fughin power

[juandabomb]

my card ended in a draw

[boxingnumber247]

Munguia won 7-5 stop crying

[ceylon mooney]

theres a few fights where compubox seems to be counting punches that dont land.

[ultravividscene]

The stats Say other thing


He Lost, of fact.

And the fight was completely close and competitive

The stats say Hogan won the last round easily, yet Munguia swept it on all cards.



I agree the result was no robbery though.

[bigdunny1]

The stats say Hogan won the last round easily, yet Munguia swept it on all cards.



I agree the result was no robbery though.

The last round was definitely a Munguia round one of the easiest rounds to score for the entire fight. Hogan was dead tired and hurt at times. Was literally holding the entire round to the point he could of easily lost a point for excessive holding in a fight where he held a lot before the final round. He was just trying to survive that last round and not get hit with something huge so he fought in spurts and mainly held. Most of the punches he was credited for landing in the 12 was while he was bear hugging and grabbing Munguia's arm with one hand to prevent him from punching while just pitty patting and rabbit punching with nothing on them. This is why watching a fight is more important then just looking at the punch stats. Munguia landed all the meaningful punches that round and Hogan was holding at one point he was so tired that he tackled Munguia to the ground. Judges see that and are not going to give a round to guy that is tackling and holding while eating the bigger shots. If I grab you and then hit you 5 times before the ref breaks it up those are added to the punch stats but are totally meaningless punches with no leverage and are doing no damage. While 1 punch at distance flush will count more then all those punches in a bear hug. This is the problem when people just look at the stats and not the fight.

And if you want to just take the human aspect of actually judging the quality of punches landed and just go by round by round who landed the most punches then Munguia won the fight landing more punches in 7 of the 12 rounds.



I scored the fight round by round a draw. Munguia did NOT win the first 6 rounds like the punch stats say and Hogan did NOT win the 12 round like the punch stats say either. It was a close and sloppy fight the final punch stats being separated by 1 single punch and the fact that 3 judges could only agree on 6 rounds tells you how close and how many swing rounds there was in the fight. There was no robbery here.

[ultravividscene]

The last round was definitely a Munguia round one of the easiest rounds to score for the entire fight. ... There was no robbery here.

Absolutely. I was just questioning another users use of 'stats'

[chrisJS]

Fu.cking ignorant


Accuracy does not count , it's the same.if you thrown 150 in a round and landed 30, and if you rival thrown 50 and landed 30 it's the same to judges

Accuracy absolutely does count.

Of the four criteria for judging a boxing match three of them value accuracy.

Effective aggression
Clean punching
Defense
Ring generalship

The guy throwing 150 punches and landing 30 is clearly inferior in three of those categories than the guy landing 30 of 50 shots.

[Richard G]

This robbery claim is partly due to Hogan's trainer, who just happens to be Jeff Horn's trainer too, overestimating as usual his man's progress during a fight and then telling Hogan he had won. Maybe with better corner advice Hogan would have went harder because that's what he had to do to win, his record shows that he is not a hard puncher and this was evident during the fight.

Basically if you can't hurt your opponent you have to up the punch numbers and then add a few more to counter the inevitable home town decision. Hogan failed to do this.

[whoseyourdaddy]

Accuracy absolutely does count.

Of the four criteria for judging a boxing match three of them value accuracy.

Effective aggression
Clean punching
Defense
Ring generalship

The guy throwing 150 punches and landing 30 is clearly inferior in three of those categories than the guy landing 30 of 50 shots.

So is weird that all those judging points apply here on this fight, yet in the canelo vs ggg first fight, GGG missed 800+ punches and averaged a pathetic 22% connect rate, while Canelo’s connect rate at 44% and higher power punches connect, yet non of you fools like to bring this things up when it suits you, but not when you’re losing the argument. Consistency, you guys lack consistency and credibility.