Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Let's Get Back To Making Biggest Fights For Wilder

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"Making it up on the AJ fights" would mean they can afford to pay more for the AJ fights if they don't have to overpay for the Breazeale fight. So Wilder will surely be looking for more than 40 for AJ now.

As for what Wilder is getting for Breazeale, I agree it's unlikely to be 20, but not having to sign a four fight deal, and being able to get more for the AJ fights, it would stand to reason that he'd probably prefer a one fight deal for 15 than get 20 but be locked in for several more fights.

But another important factor is, DAZN is a flat fee for worldwide rights. Whereas Showtime is simply buying the US rights and Wilder can make additional funds selling foreign rights. So, for instance, Showtime could give him 12 million, he makes 3 million elsewhere, winds up with 15 total instead of 20, but maintains his freedom.

Wilder wouldn't take a 1 fight offer for 15 Mill. You're just saying that because you know it will never happen. Huge A sides always have rematch clauses for unifications and voluntaries.

Maintains his freedom? Maintains his freedom to do what? Stay on Showtime and not fight anywhere else? What is the point in that?

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lolol....charles martin? hahahaha...parker isnt much...brezeale were about to find out isnt much...and miller hasnt beaten anyone of note yet(thats what people say about ortiz)......whyte is the lone good win and i dont think hes that great but ill rate it the best

none of those guys pack fight ending ability like wilder....none of them

those are not risky fights you listed...wilder is RISKY and we all know that

DAZN will do the deal if they know they have the winner locked in...thats why they tried to sign wilder....without having wilder in the fold they dont want the fight on legit terms with a good split and US PPV....because if AJ loses they arent left with much in their investment of him....

thats why theyre happy to make the fight if wilder signs a multi fight deal with them....they know they have the winner guaranteed signed with them

but AJs people wont go to wilders people with a legit split and US PPV deal in place...which is the logical deal to make by far

A deal that will allow Wilder to walk after the 3 fights are up. So what difference is there if AJ were to lose on DAZN compared to losing on Showtime?

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I don’t know what it is but when I switch on my computer and come to this site I just become a chartered accountant and I have all this wealth of knowledge to share. .

I’m sure we have all hustled at some stage in our career whether it’s flipping burgers, our careers, women, etc etc. Bird legs doesn’t deserve 50% . He may think he does just like I think I deserve to win the lottery weekly.

He hasn’t paid his dues. He has fought Ortiz where he should have lost and Fury where he did lose in a 11 year career where if we add together his entire gross pay in all his fights it’s shy of 30 million.

I’m not knocking his resume because whether he fought 80 bums he has fought atleast 2 that I respect and whether he was lucky or not didn’t lose. However, as the belt holder he offered Fury 40% which was fair in my eyes. Bare in mind Joshua has 3 belts , he is the bigger draw globally, commercially and including Fury is the only fighter that can guarantee Wilder a huge purse. The same can not be said about Wilder. This is not a Canelo vs GGG situation where Canelo was the huge draw. Joshua is the cash cow.

I remember when Wilder originally said he wanted 50/50 . All Wilder fans were saying “ don’t be ******” now you are trying to justify this absurdity. What has changed from then to now? He drew his last fight that he should had lost.

40% is more than far but I will concede if he knocks out Brezeale inside 3 rounds he might well get 45%. I like Wilder when he doesn’t talk I would probably like him more if he got rid of Winkel the rat

60/40 Joshua was fair last year, in the UK, at Joshua's venue, with Joshua's officials, and a handshake on a rematch.

Eddie Hearn chose not to go for that; first he offered $12m, then $15m after Joshua chose not to travel for at least $50m, and then the 24-hour notice on the WBA mandatory moving the fight back 10 months, with Wilder's US broadcaster now out of the picture. lol.

Now, it's Wilder's turn to be petty.

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yeah those guys hold all the cards yet joshuas network just offered wilder a big deal even though yall claim wilder is a "2 mil a fight guy"....lol....what a clown...u guys are pathetic....watching you is funny but almost sickening ...definitley sad.....you guys are shameless and say things that contradict yourselves on the daily.....

They offered well over Wilder's worth to get that title off him and make an undisputed champ. They didn't offer that kind of money because Wilder generates money and is a big draw.

If he is, break down what Wilder generates in a typical fight?

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Well AJ does want one (standard champ stuff Wilder had one if he lost against Fury) so Wilder will want one.

Sooo your post irrelevant.... funny that.

Either both get it or neither get it; the moment that Hearn tried to draw it up that only Joshua would be entitled to a rematch, it was clear that his offer was full of ****.

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The purpose of working on a hand shake is having the option to bolt if the other side doesn't live up to their word or doesn't continue to treat you well.

How many times do we see fighters being held hostage? Forced to sit out by their promoter, or chewed up and spit out by a network after a loss or two, etc?

PBC guys have protections other guys don't have. Their manager has a ton of leverage with promoters and TV networks, but the handshake arrangement of so much of what Haymon does is what creates this leverage.

If Wilder had been locked into a long term deal with Showtime, he couldn't legally receive offers from DAZN and ESPN and Showtime wouldn't then be scrambling to increase what they pay him.

Haymon has orchestrated the biggest fights in history. PBC has the biggest TV budget in history. Haymon has the largest collection of world class talent in history. Maybe there's a method to his madness?

So being treated well means earning less money that is on offer elsewhere?

It's good for Showtime to not have a contract with Wilder just so they can massively overpay him for fights down the road? Wow, this sounds like a great idea for them. Who wouldn't want to horribly overpay for shlt fights? But apart from this great deal of overpaying for shlt fights, what else does Showtime get out this?

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Wasn't verified keep adding your spin to Hearn saying he believes they're good for the money although he hasn't seen proof. Plus Wilders team never mentioned that 30 mil rematch only Warren who said it was funded with BT which would have meant AJ having to paying Sky their share which would be a lot.

What grounds would Joshua have for walking away from 50 mil , probably something along the lines of DAZN guaranteeing 60 mil since Hearn said AJs offer from DAZN in comparison to Wilders 40 mil a fight was along the lines of the talked about 60/40 split. Showtime are probably gonna have to up their offer at the end of the day even if it's just to guarantee the difference DAZN are and give Wilder the rest until it's 50-50 and split the upside shouldnt be a problem though if the fights as big as you guys make out and apparently Wilders popularity rivals Mayweather as this fight is all of a sudden as big as Mayw vs Pac.

If you have a source for Eddie Hearn saying that Joshua's offer on a potential Joshua-Wilder fight on DAZN was for $60m, please share it, lol.

Because if that's the case, there's a place for a discussion to be had; Wilder and his camp believed that Wilder's share on the fight was set to be $50m (50% of $100m), so that becomes the working number.

$60m to Joshua, $50m to Wilder, and you'd seem to have a fight. Wilder knocks out Anthony Joshua, and his fee on the rematch goes up again. Straightforward.

I think you're full of **** here, though.

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People saying Wilder doesn't deserve 50% keep forgetting that Joshua has to sell 4 times what Wilder does to make the same money, and Wilder's last fight outsold Joshua's last 2 (I know, Fury is solely responsible for a good PPV turnout on American TV :sarc). Joshua may get a better percentage, but both fighters are bringing in the same level of money, so 50% is not farfetched. Joshua won't get that type of money with any other dance partner

That all said, Wilder could have accepted the 40% deal, and the 4 fight $120M deal IMO, but I understand being ****ed around and not wanting to do business with people. I'm also a fight fan though, and prizefighters are supposed to fight for the prize, so both sides need to get their **** together and stop all the posturing.

Yeah, that's why AJ gets paid tens of millions while Wilder gets paid a pittance.

Without Fury and AJ being in the opposite corner Wilder doesn't make much of anything. That is not the case for AJ. Could you imagine how much money AJ/Fury would generate? More than what AJ is getting now. And he's making over 30 mill for the Miller fight which is more than Wilder has earned in his whole career. Funny that isn't it?

Yeah, 50/50 isn't far fetched. If you come from the land of OZ and smoke rocks daily it isn't. In the real world however, it's a lot more than being far fetched. It's straight crazy.

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fury took wilder to school yet DAZN still wants to throw tons of cash at some "mediocre in popularity US boxer"? lololol....like i said....your BS never adds up...it never does with AJ fans

everyone else doesnt hold the cards over wilder...he has the WBC belt

AJ cant unify without him...and fury cant either unless wilder gets beaten and fury beats that guy.......wilder holds a key card

if wilder is such a scrub that got schooled by fury why does DAZN wanna overpay him? you have a logical answer that doesnt conflict with your previous statemetn? nah...u really dont

You just answered your own question. AJ can't become undisputed without Wilder putting his title on the line. That is why they are offering huge money to Wilder, not because he's a star. He's still mediocre even with him getting these kind of offers. That hasn't changed. Nor will it.

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i love the AJ fans

on one hand they tell us wilder got schooled by fury..hes a nobody that deserves nothing

then they tell us he turned down this huge offer and hes ******

yet wilder has some of the most successful and powerful men in boxing in his corner.....and also im pretty sure DAZN wasnt just offering wilder something as an act of charity

thats the funny part...these clowns walk around here talking like DAZN is giving a handout...like they are a charity.....theyve looked at the numbers and feel wilder is worth at least what they said they offered....that doesnt jive with all of your claims

youd literally have to think DAZN is in the handout business if you believe all of the other BS you clowns say......if they are then fugg it! why not hand the charlos 50 mil each and heck...while were here....hand tank davis a cool 30 mil for a fight.....since its charity and all! LOL

again...the AJ fanboys...their stuff never adds up

Tell me about the paydays Wilder has received throughout his career with these powerful people being in his corner? What good are they when you get paid peanuts your whole career and feed him a steady diet of bums for 11 years?